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What a surprise to find Olympus news on all my bookmarked sites upon my return home from work. I certainly did not see the news of a new format coming, but at least we now know what Ian saw on his recent trip. I will have to have another good read of all the information to digest the news. Like others, my first worry was that this new format might have big implications for the current four thirds format.

It will be very interesting to discover how well the new smaller sensors perform given the press perception of noise problems assoiciated with the current four thirds format.

Interesting times!

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Chris, I don't know if I misinterpreted you, but the Micro Four Thirds platform shares the same size sensor as the existing Four Thirds system.

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Im sure you are correct in your assumptions.

To my knowledge the largest sensor used in a bridge camera is 2/3" that Fuji have in their latest model.
They claim 11.1 MP as the spec.

If the Micro 4/3's will be a replacement for the current range of bridge cameras then I am in no doubt either that the MP will be higher than that of the Fuji in order to compete.
Its sad that people have been duped into thinking "the higher the better".

If it succeeds though and takes the market in bridge camera's from the likes of Fuji then surely this has got to be a good thing ? More people using the 4/3's format who may progress to the full 4/3's DSLR ???????
The Fuji 2/3rds inch sensor is a quarter of the area of a Four Thirds (4/3rds inch) sensor. So even if, say, the megapixel count was upped to 12MP, the pixels would have a pitch four times greater in area than a 2/3rds inch sensor of the same number of pixels.

That said, I'm personally content with 10MP, but it's quite easy for Panasonic to scale the megapixels up on the Four Thirds LiveMOS sensor.

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Re: Micro Four Thirds system announced

Dear Ian,

Thanks for clearing that up, I definitely need to pour myself a glass of wine and have a second read of all the information.

Cheers

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The Fuji 2/3rds inch sensor is a quarter of the area of a Four Thirds (4/3rds inch) sensor. So even if, say, the megapixel count was upped to 12MP, the pixels would have a pitch four times greater in area than a 2/3rds inch sensor of the same number of pixels.

That said, I'm personally content with 10MP, but it's quite easy for Panasonic to scale the megapixels up on the Four Thirds LiveMOS sensor.

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Yes, so I suppose this would be one occasion where the MP could be upped to suit the demands of the market, without cramming more pixels into a small sensor to the detriment of IQ ?

I believe as others do on the DPR Panasonic forum that a version of this camera will be a replacement to the current FZ bridge range and if so, my opinion is that it should win hands down over the rest of the bridge camera competition.

Marketing will IMO also play a masive part in how successful this system will become.
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Marketing will IMO also play a masive part in how successful this system will become.
I'd say this is about the easiest thing to market in recent camera history. So long as the products are in the marketplace a whispering campaign would work. At the very least you'd need to be the most stupid marketing person in history to blow it. This product will work not only for people moving upwards in the market, but also downwards from the great hulking DSLR's they have to lug around. If the basic concept can accept/produce a multiple of bodies (like RF, P&S, specialist) and rapidly put into production around a common lens range it will clean up!

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At the very least you'd need to be the most stupid marketing person in history to blow it.
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I that case it's as good as blown, it is Olympus we're talking about after all
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Re: Micro Four Thirds system announced

Some other interesting web pages I found on Micro Four Thirds

DigitalCameraReview: http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/d...ro+four+thirds

Jens Haas's thoughts on how it may affect the DSLR landscape:

http://www.jenshaas.com/blog/?p=394

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So long as the products are in the marketplace a whispering campaign would work.
A little optimistic there I think

I know it won't be a DSLR so not strictly the same as the current problems Olympus have from magazines etc regarding the 4/3's system and one would expect that its a no brainer putting a sensor this size into a bridge camera but it will obviously need some marketing and a big push to get the magazines on side so that we don't see comments like "why not just buy the new Canon 4?0D instead which is not much bigger and buy into a better system blah blah blah)

As said in my previous post though I DO think it will kick the ass out of the bridge camera market if thats where it will be aimed.
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Re: Micro Four Thirds system announced

Question is - will there be clear differentiation between the two lines?

When film and sensor sizes underpinned body design we could see a clear correlation (like it or not) - the bigger the frame, the bigger the body (and lenses) - and the better the resolution/noise. You had a simple trade-off.

Now we have different lens/body sizes on the way for the same sensor size. I can see some sense in "a big body gives room for more electonics, tilty-swivel screens and so forth". And there seems to be more scope for the telecentric lens argument. But I don't see intrinsic value having mirrors flapping around, and hunks of prism diverting the light into a hole I can look into - I'm rather struggling to see where the value is in traditional 4/3 if this new format delivers the goods in terms of adequate image quality.

Personally I don't have any problem carrying around an E3/Grip/35-100, but go on my travels and something smaller would definitely be attractive.
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Re: Micro Four Thirds system announced

Something that appears to have been overlooked here is the video capabilities.

Now, if the new cameras support 720p, 1080i and even 1080p video recording, with high quality interchangable lenses, then I would consider one to be used as a video camera.

I like the idea of using my Bigma to shoot video
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Question is - will there be clear differentiation between the two lines?

When film and sensor sizes underpinned body design we could see a clear correlation (like it or not) - the bigger the frame, the bigger the body (and lenses) - and the better the resolution/noise. You had a simple trade-off.

Now we have different lens/body sizes on the way for the same sensor size. I can see some sense in "a big body gives room for more electonics, tilty-swivel screens and so forth". And there seems to be more scope for the telecentric lens argument. But I don't see intrinsic value having mirrors flapping around, and hunks of prism diverting the light into a hole I can look into - I'm rather struggling to see where the value is in traditional 4/3 if this new format delivers the goods in terms of adequate image quality.

Personally I don't have any problem carrying around an E3/Grip/35-100, but go on my travels and something smaller would definitely be attractive.
There will inevitably be a significant differentiation between the two systems. Four Thirds DSLR focus will be on AF speed, and probably concentrating on the traditional strengths of DSLRs for action, wildlife, extreme conditions, pro-style photography. Micro Four Thirds will be all about convenience, portability, new technology, general photography. I also believe video will be a major component of Micro Four Thirds features.

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Something that appears to have been overlooked here is the video capabilities.

Now, if the new cameras support 720p, 1080i and even 1080p video recording, with high quality interchangable lenses, then I would consider one to be used as a video camera.

I like the idea of using my Bigma to shoot video
Watch this space, John!

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