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[Jim Ford]

I sometimes wonder whether an abrupt end to someones life is easier to deal with, compared to the person you know being progressively 'stolen' from you over years by dementia or Alzheimer's.

Jim

[Tram]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

I sometimes wonder whether an abrupt end to someones life is easier to deal with, compared to the person you know being progressively 'stolen' from you over years by dementia or Alzheimer's.

Jim

Debated this myself Jim, my old ma was getting very forgetful and we had begun to worry about her wellbeing. Had spoken to the doctor and it was becoming a genuine concern.
On the other hand for all concerned I would not wish that traumatic experience on anyone. A very violent and distressing way to end one's life, probably best we don't get to choose.

Would say one thing and please don't judge me by this statement.
I see so many people themselves no youngsters struggling to care for their very elderly parents. Must admit to feeling very relieved not having to deal with it. My Dad passed away over thirty years ago and my in-laws are long gone too. That is from a purely selfish point of view, but who knows if I had been given a choice.

[Jax]

The loss of parents and elderly relatives is something we all have to face at some point in our lives. It is all part of the cycle of life and death.

How much more devastating must it be to lose a child, a son or daughter especially in violent circumstances similar to ones that appear on our news almost daily. I honestly have no idea how anyone copes with that.


Jax

[TimP]

Originally Posted by Jim Ford

I sometimes wonder whether an abrupt end to someones life is easier to deal with, compared to the person you know being progressively 'stolen' from you over years by dementia or Alzheimer's.

Jim

Personally Jim I would think so, as currently watching Mum deteriorate with dementia. Many times she’s expressed a wish for it all to be over and I can’t say I blame her. Dad died of mesothelioma and even he wished for it to be ended. As terrible as a sudden trauma would be I suspect from our family experience it might be preferable to the alternatives.
The state of the NHS doesn’t help in these situations. Mums care is costing us more per month (living at home) than I’ve ever taken home in a month, yet there’s no money for social care. It’ll be worse too in a few years when we all need it.

[TimP]

Originally Posted by Tram

Would say one thing and please don't judge me by this statement.
I see so many people themselves no youngsters struggling to care for their very elderly parents. Must admit to feeling very relieved not having to deal with it. My Dad passed away over thirty years ago and my in-laws are long gone too. That is from a purely selfish point of view, but who knows if I had been given a choice.

Welcome to my world! We love Mum to bits but her time has long come, we’ve had over 10 years of looking after her and the gradual decline that goes with it. As a family we’ve often said if there was a simple, legal option we’d take it. Too many doctors keeping too many old people alive as basically vanity projects for their careers.

[TimP]

Originally Posted by Jax

The loss of parents and elderly relatives is something we all have to face at some point in our lives. It is all part of the cycle of life and death.

How much more devastating must it be to lose a child, a son or daughter especially in violent circumstances similar to ones that appear on our news almost daily. I honestly have no idea how anyone copes with that.


Jax

At least the parents going first is the natural order of things, as you say, I’ve no idea how you cope with the loss of a child.

[Zuiko]

Originally Posted by TimP

Welcome to my world! We love Mum to bits but her time has long come, we’ve had over 10 years of looking after her and the gradual decline that goes with it. As a family we’ve often said if there was a simple, legal option we’d take it. Too many doctors keeping too many old people alive as basically vanity projects for their careers.

Unfortunately that's the law. I am determined not to become a burden when my Parkinsons symptoms reach the stage that I can no longer look after myself. However, as the law stands, it would be a crime if another person assists me and that means I will need to do the deed earlier than needs be, whilst I am still capable of doing it alone.

[Jax]

Originally Posted by Zuiko

Unfortunately that's the law. I am determined not to become a burden when my Parkinsons symptoms reach the stage that I can no longer look after myself. However, as the law stands, it would be a crime if another person assists me and that means I will need to do the deed earlier than needs be, whilst I am still capable of doing it alone.

Not making light of your post but.... Illegal or not, I feel sure when my time comes there will be no shortage of volunteers ! Probably need a Traffic Warden to control the queue

Jax

[Zuiko]

Originally Posted by Jax

Not making light of your post but.... Illegal or not, I feel sure when my time comes there will be no shortage of volunteers ! Probably need a Traffic Warden to control the queue

Jax

Oh, I think you have to make light of these situations, it would be a bit grim if we didn't.

[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by TimP

I’ve no idea how you cope with the loss of a child.

My partner's friend's husband's father was in the Wermacht during the war as a young man. He went A.W.O.L. and was eventually caught. He was sentenced to a prison term. His mother appealed and the sentence was reviewed. He was then sentenced to death and shot! I often wonder how his mother felt, having through her action had him killed!

Jim

[Naughty Nigel]

Originally Posted by Zuiko

Unfortunately that's the law. I am determined not to become a burden when my Parkinsons symptoms reach the stage that I can no longer look after myself. However, as the law stands, it would be a crime if another person assists me and that means I will need to do the deed earlier than needs be, whilst I am still capable of doing it alone.

Our politicians seem to think that legalising any form of euthanasia would put elderly and vulnerable people at risk, particularly if they have money one presumes.

I suspect the medical profession may also be worried about the risks of legal action by relatives who did not agree to the termination of a life.

I certainly wouldn't want to be kept alive in a demented or vegetative state.

What is your take on it John?

[maccabeej]

Having got past the disagreements at the beginning I found this interesting. (I haven’t been on here for a while).
Both my parents died of illnesses in their 70s within 6months of each other). After my mother died my father’s illness, a new job and a youngish family took my attention. After my father died sorting out everything took time. It was two years later listening to Mike and the Mechanics’ In the Living Years that I suddenly broke down in uncontrollable tears. I hadn’t realised how much I had bottled up. Unfortunately everyone seems to grief in their own way and in their own time so it is difficult to see from the outside.
Tram how you coped with your mother’s death in such a fashion is something I am glad I didn’t have to deal with. I am glad that you are recovering.