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Old 25th November 2009
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Second hand cars?

My car's getting very old so we looked at the scrappage scheme, but it'll still cost too much.

While we were looking at prices online we found manufacturer-linked dealer listed as selling cars a few years old with zero miles on the clock, for second hand prices. Some of the cars have had more than one owner.

I'm guessing it's a mistake, but if not, does anybody know how a car can be owned by more than one person and do zero miles?
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Re: Second hand cars?

It depends who the owners are.
If it's a dealer who hasn't used it as a demonstrator, then it's transferred to another dealer, then another, it's possible.
Also on some cars delivery mileage can be reset using the dealer's servicing computer system. Up to 50 miles is not uncommon, so it may be very low mileage in reality and zero on the display.

But it sounds dodgy.
I now have a computer diagnostic (not reprogramming unfortunately) system for my car, so I can find these things. Like the engine ECU has about 50,000 less miles on it than the car speedo, because it was swapped when the wiring to the gearbox shorted out a couple of years ago.
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Old 25th November 2009
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While we were looking at prices online we found manufacturer-linked dealer listed as selling cars a few years old with zero miles on the clock, for second hand prices. Some of the cars have had more than one owner.

I'm guessing it's a mistake, but if not, does anybody know how a car can be owned by more than one person and do zero miles?
Ellie,

Sounds as if they could be imports with new speedos fitted. Stay well clear there's no knowing what the true mileage is.
Post the link to the dealer.

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Re: Second hand cars?

Manufacturers "sell" cars to subsiduary companies basically to fiddle the books, so it looks like they are selling more cars than they actually are.
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Re: Second hand cars?

They are called pre registered cars - they can be a great bargain however be aware that the warranty clock starts when they are first registered not when they go into real use. Check to see the registration document and the service record - often the service record is held centrally by the manufacturer.

Cars are registered by the dealer without having a customer to meet manufacturer imposed sales targets which often include bonuses for the sales staff.

Check other dealers stocks via the web to see if there is a glut of the vehicles around the country at these prices.
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Re: Second hand cars?

If thia is online I would go with the 'they didnt fill in the mileage on the form' option. Yes there are pre-reg cars around, but not 2 or 3 years old (or at least not in substantive numbers).

Ring them up and confirm. Personally I would rather buy a car which has been used than one which hasn't. Check the terms of any warranty in terms of servicing have been met and get it in writing from the manufacturer that the car is covered by warranty.

I would avoid as a matter of course.

Anyway, whats wrong with old cars?
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Anyway, whats wrong with old cars?

My OH has just disposed of her 10 year old Ford with 17016 miles on the clock,it already had 5,000 miles on it when she purchased it seconhand when it was 1 year old.

Her new one has 275 miles - if you are around in another 10 years,you might just pick up a bargain with probably 12,000 miles on the clock !
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Re: Second hand cars?

Ellie,

When you see how some of these cars are stored you do not want to touch them. I pass such a deport for Ford near Hull and the cars can frequently be stood up to the axles in water.

Also these vehicles are not serviced while stood, which being an engineer would worry me as things like the engine require the circulation of oil to keep them in good order: while stood the engins are corroding internally as are all the other moving parts. The outside can be cleaned up but the real damage in inside were the eye can not see!

There are lots of good second hand dealers round who have stock to sell and especially if they are independent they have a reputation to maintain. I am sure if you let us know were you live there will be people who can provide you with personal recomendations: certailnly I can in the York area.

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Re: Second hand cars?

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Post the link to the dealer.
The cars came up on a national car selling site, which searches information provided by their dealers from all over the country. They can only show what's been put there by the individual dealers, and have to assume it's correct/accurate. I can't imagine they would have time to check each entry.

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Ring them up and confirm. ...
I phoned the dealer.

They said there was something wrong with the computer programme they were using, they said it wouldn't let them put lower than "x" mileage and something about "average" mileages too. They told me the right details were on their own site - which they were, and then tried to sell me a car over the phone!

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There's nothing at all wrong with an old car, and I'll be replacing my very old car with a less old car

We do know a very good dealer with a good local reputation who sold us my car about 9 years ago. We're sure they'll have something nice at a price we can afford.

The thing is that I'm not really the best person to have a new car, because I don't care enough about them. A car is something I use, it has to be able to go up rough tracks and bounce over stones and so on without worrying too much, and the carpets have to tolerate muddy boots. We wouldn't have even thought of a new car if it hadn't been for the current scrappage scheme, and also knowing that VAT will probably go up again in January - when my car gets its MOT/tax etc..

We feel as if we've been led by the nose by the government scheme, and we've wasted a lot of time, effort, phone calls and petrol when the new car people knew very well how much money we'd got - because we told them.

All the advertising leads you up the garden path until the moment of signing on the dotted line. We were told over the phone and twice face-to-face that we could 'afford' a new car with the government deal tacked onto another "special deal". We were absolutely clear about how much we could spend, and kept on repeating it so they didn't imagine we had more money. We also said we wouldn't take out a loan.

They kept saying it was fine right until the last moment. The forms were filled in, we were ready to hand over the money - and then we were told about the small print at the bottom of the page. The text almost blended in with the colour of the paper, and almost needed a magnifying glass to read.

Apparently the price/deal we had been discussing was dependent on our taking out a loan with a particular finance company - for a minimum % of the price, and over at least 24 months. It was never mentioned, not until the very last moment - and after we'd seen, and sat in, my brand new car. Clever eh? Then they tried to get us to pay another 1k cash for the same car!

Makes me wonder how many people have got as far as we did, then capitulated by taking out an expensive loan without the chance of shopping around - and only later realised the interest on the loan is almost as much as the apparent 'additional' saving!

Maybe, though, this is why the take-up of the scheme has been less than they first said it had been, because each time somebody makes an inquiry it's logged as a positive.
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Re: Second hand cars?

Well the whole scheme was just a gimmick, though it has been apparently great for the german car manufacturers.

What upset me, is that it sold the lie that buying a new car was somehow environmentally good, but around half (except if you are a very high mileage user) of the environmental harm is in the manufacture and the scrappage. You are never going to repay that environmental deficit unless a car is on it's last legs.

What's strange is that we've now reached a stage where, in normal use, cars should at least last 15-20years. But we are trying to pump life into an industry that should be contracting (to everyones environmental advantage) by selling new cars with marginal environmental advantages.

Gone are the days of vauxhalls/fiat et al with 5 year life before utter collapse. We should be encouraging the use of cars that have lived beyond the depreciation (environmental) of their production.

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Re: Second hand cars?

The main thing that annoyed me with the scrappage scheme was BEFORE the scrappage scheme new cars were advertised at say "9995" The citroen ad comes to mind here.... then when the scrappage scheme comes in, the cars are advertised at almost 2000 more...
We recently had an old (M reg) car given to us for my son, my relatives could not trade it in (didnt want to buy a NEW car) and it was going to cost them to scrap it, so they asked us if we wanted it free. That old escort is a lovely runner, and has got me to work when either my or my hubbies 4 year old cars had broken.
A new car is something I'd not think about, specially when I have kids using the car as a taxi.
My thought is that theres not been much uptake on the scrappage scheme... I cant say I've noticed too many 09 and 59 plates around
Good luck with your search Ellie
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Re: Second hand cars?

OTOH the scrappage scheme was good for me...had a Polo for over 10 years and in Shetland the body rots before the engine gets a good distance...was in the must replace in the next 6 months phase and along came the scheme..trashed me savings and got a Kia Picanto... so I have a new omnibus...which I will run into the ground...
but yes the unintended consequences of the scheme...well like bio fuels...nice idea after a couple of pints but not thought through
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Re: Second hand cars?

Ellie,

"The cars came up on a national car selling site, which searches information provided by their dealers from all over the country. They can only show what's been put there by the individual dealers, and have to assume it's correct/accurate. I can't imagine they would have time to check each entry."

Most Car Sales outlets as well as using Fish, Exchange & Mart, Yahoo etc also have an online presence of their own. If you know the dealer/ship name you should be able to check the mileage on the dealers site.

If you are looking for a recommendation for a car from the forum users perhaps you could give a bit more information.

ie What are you driving now? are you looking for a similar sized car,auto manual, petrol or diesel.
Do you have a preference for 2 or 4 doors or hatchback?
Is petrol consuption important or do you only do a small mileage?

Most of the car manufactures these days build quite reliable cars so personal preference can be quite important.
I've been running Audi A4's for the last 10 years or so and have found them to be totally reliable, its sad to say I know but German engineering takes some beating these days.

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its sad to say I know but German engineering takes some beating these days.

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It took some beating in 1940 as well

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Re: Second hand cars?

So what should the olympus user drive?

If we assume that Canon/Nikon is like bmw/merc....?

In the old days (the good old days...) there was saab, but what now?
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