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I may be wrong, but after those large memory hungry programmes, the PC slows down to a snail pace. I am thinking the RAM needs clearing out?? Should not a departing programme do that anyway, or does it leave the RAM clogged up.
Could be a 'memory leak', which is where memory is allocated for a subroutine within the program, but not de-allocated when the routine exits. If the routine is repeatedly called the 'lost' memory builds up. It all gets released when the program exits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak

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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

In most versions of Photoshop there is a 'clear' command in the 'Edit' menu (called 'purge' in earlier versions). This will clear back history, clipboard, and other memory 'debris'. No need for additional software and may well be all you need to do. It always works for me when things start slowing down during photo editing.
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Another endorsement for windows task manager as it makes it easier to see what is causing the issue and you can kill the offending program without going through the reboot process.
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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

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I can empathise with your comments about Sys Admin!

To be fair, Windows has become much slimmer and fitter in recent years, with W10 being extremely fast and agile. 'Streamlined like a Porsche' as somebody once said.

I have no stability problems whatsoever, and as I said, my W2016 machine stays up for weeks at a time. Indeed, I think our son has more problem with his one iMac and MacBook than we have with all of our home and office PC's put together.
I donít think we can thank MS for Windows being better with W10, I think itís more down to the hardware itís running on. Decent spec machines have much more oomph to run the O/S.

I think you can probably blame your sons issues on something he is doing! Not saying you donít get problems with MacOS but Iíve never seen anything happen to even compare with Windows on a bad day!
Saying that, I think itís appalling that they still fit a spinning rust HDD in any of their machines, scandalous given the base prices.
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I donít think we can thank MS for Windows being better with W10, I think itís more down to the hardware itís running on. Decent spec machines have much more oomph to run the O/S.

I think you can probably blame your sons issues on something he is doing! Not saying you donít get problems with MacOS but Iíve never seen anything happen to even compare with Windows on a bad day!
Saying that, I think itís appalling that they still fit a spinning rust HDD in any of their machines, scandalous given the base prices.
I disagree. Windows 10 is a sound OS once you get your head around it, and is much faster than previous iterations. It is also available for all to run on whatever hardware they choose.

I agree that Apple hardware and software is generally good, but for products that are idolised by liberal millennials I find Apple products to be remarkably elitist and exclusive. When Apple makes a machine that I can actually open to change the hard drive, RAM and CPU, and makes phones and iPads with removable ĶSD cards I may think again.

Better still, they could sell their OS on the open market. Hackintosh works perfectly well on my PC so why can't I buy it, and perhaps run it as a VM?
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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

Agree re the idiocy of the un-upgradeableness, my recently failed MacBook Pro had user changeable ram and HDD (so maxed out the ram and popped a 2TB SSD in there). Now that’s died I’ve bought a second hand, slightly newer (2012!) 13in version and it feels like I’ve got a whole new shiny toy. Waiting for new models but really stressed about everything being glued in and inaccessible.
Perfectly happy in their ecosystem / walled garden and not overly bothered by the lack of an uSD slot either. Certainly don’t have to have everything new that comes out.
As for VMs, I do it the other way round, run a Windows 10 VM on a Mac.
I’ve got a couple of actual PCs but they only get fired up to get the updates every few weeks.
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Agree re the idiocy of the un-upgradeableness, my recently failed MacBook Pro had user changeable ram and HDD (so maxed out the ram and popped a 2TB SSD in there). Now thatís died Iíve bought a second hand, slightly newer (2012!) 13in version and it feels like Iíve got a whole new shiny toy. Waiting for new models but really stressed about everything being glued in and inaccessible.
The walled garden is one problem but there are others. Apart from the lack of Ethernet, USB and headphone sockets on the newer models (yes, you can buy Apple's expensive adaptors) there is no mobile internet. I travel quite a bit and rely on mobile internet so why would I buy a MacBook? It isn't as if Apple doesn't have the technology. I did ask a Genius about this at the Apple store and was told that Apple expects you to buy an expensive iPad or iPhone to connect to the internet. But why? My Portege is lighter than a MacBook but comes with built in 4G so why would I use anything else. Many HP, Dell and Lenovo machines have the same. Plus I don't have to find a highly visible perch to show off my illuminated logo when I am out and about.

Don't get me wrong; I have an iPad Mini and an iPod Touch that I like a lot but good as it is the Apple ecosystem is just too restrictive for me.
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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

Modern pc memory management is very efficient at maximising available memory and cleans up behind terminated programs well - it's memory resident programs that you need to optimize to free up memory - especially on systems with smaller amounts of ram

Cleaning and defragging the registry is useful as a copy is loaded into memory on system startup

Perhaps more important is to review and optimize the programs and services that are loaded and started automatically at startup as all sorts of useless apps and services that you don't need will almost certainly be configured

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Just to be very clear the program Jax referred to in the link above is NOT repeat NOT the one I referred to. The name is similar but it's not the same.
The one I recommended can be obtained from the link below and is excellent.
It's developed by a company called Macpaw they do a version for Macs and one for PC's.

https://macpaw.com

Don't fall into the spamware trap.
Bloodyexpensive apps!!
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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

Hi Mark

just catching up on this thread and you don't give any other specs of your PC other than RAM

I'm in the camp that does not recommend further apps as Windows can do all that it needs to and provides good tools, go beyond task manager into the resource monitor (its on the performance tab) and you can dig into loads of detail - see the state of my PC at the moment

I would look at that before rebooting and see what is at the top of the list which will give you a clear understanding of what is still using the ram and if you have a lot of used and little free then you do need to look at more RAM

I also agreed that if your PC takes a long time to rebook then SSD is the biggest positive change you can make. Is this a desktop or laptop? It makes a difference how easy the change is because on a laptop you tend to need to replace the whole disk whereas on a desktop I would suggest you put it in as a new device and keep the old one as bulk storage

if you are like me a tecchie (sounds not) then you build something like this

1. SSD for Operating system and program files
2. SSD for Pagefiles, hyberfiles, scratch files, cache files etc
3,4,5,6,etc for bulk storage

That way all the things that need to run at start-up or wakeup are running on SSD's and the rest are there just when you need them

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I also agreed that if your PC takes a long time to rebook then SSD is the biggest positive change you can make. Is this a desktop or laptop? It makes a difference how easy the change is because on a laptop you tend to need to replace the whole disk whereas on a desktop I would suggest you put it in as a new device and keep the old one as bulk storage

if you are like me a tecchie (sounds not) then you build something like this

1. SSD for Operating system and program files
2. SSD for Pagefiles, hyberfiles, scratch files, cache files etc
3,4,5,6,etc for bulk storage
It is worth remembering that the Windows Pagefile.sys virtual memory file started life under Windows 3.0 back around 1993. DOS and Windows were installed from seven 1.44 MB floppy disks, so about 12 Megabytes total uncompressed size!

The Microsoft Office suite was installed from thirty 1.44 MB floppy disks, so about 45 MB total. If you were lucky you had 4 MB of RAM but many had less!

A similar installation today will take around 120 GB with Photoshop installed, so the demands of writing to and reading from the Page File are much greater. Modern hard drives are much faster than they were, but with the sheer volume of data everything is slowed down to a crawl. A SSD fixes that, and prices are now very reasonable.
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I'm in the camp that does not recommend further apps as Windows can do all that it needs to and provides good tools, go beyond task manager into the resource monitor (its on the performance tab) and you can dig into loads of detail - see the state of my PC at the moment
I agree to an extent Andy, there's a vast amount of useful stuff buried in Windows 10; the problem is finding it and how to use it. For example every time there's major Win 10 update it wipes my two scanners because the drivers are old and "unsigned". It doesn't warn me, it just deletes the drivers. It also reassigns some of my preferred default apps to MS' own inferior ones. It took ages to search how to reinstall an unsigned driver, which involves delving into the bowels of the OS. I've also had loads of issues with networking and eventually sorted them with the help of an amateur's YouTube video which explained permissions. The biggest downside of Windows is the lack of proper documentation, especially with regard to system tools, perhaps MS don't want the average user meddling with the system. Which is OK except it's supposed to be a "Personal Computer" and I expect to be able to maintain it myself in most cases!

By comparison iOS is very well documented and there's a copy of the User Guide available in iBooks. I can't comment on Macs as I've never used one in earnest.

Don't start me on Linux, mind .
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The biggest downside of Windows is the lack of proper documentation, especially with regard to system tools, perhaps MS don't want the average user meddling with the system. Which is OK except it's supposed to be a "Personal Computer" and I expect to be able to maintain it myself in most cases!
Software without documentation is near useless!

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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

Unix / Linux has always had documentation built-in from day 1, it always has. In fact its a requirement of adding any new feature. Just type "man" (short for manual) in a Terminal window and it's all there.

Windows does not do documentation, that's for techies, not us average users. How can they possibly make money if they tell you how to get around problems you encounter.
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Re: Clearing RAM app.............

I've forgotten where to find it now but another thing that can slow down Windows is its habit of logging system events. The problem is that when the log file reaches its set size it removes one entry (the oldest) to write the newest and this takes a long time. You can change the settings to clear the log file or start a new one.
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