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View Poll Results: Are you getting fed up with Brexit and should we go back to discussing other things ?
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

I believe that helping the more needy countries is ultimately for the common good!

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Regards UK payments and receipts, this all I could find. Bear in miind the EU work to a seven year financial schedule and this item only covers upto 2017ish... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/euro...nt-brexit.html


As the present schedule runs out in 2020, could this be another reason to keep us tied up to their apron strings.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

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I wouldn't disagree with that Jim. But I wouldn't be hanging around in any club that only wanted me for my money!

Actually, for a small country we have done a great deal for Europe over the last eighty years. The French did nothing to stop the Germans from invading their country, and instead relied on Britain and its allies to liberate them. Roll on to 2018 and the French are threatening to block us from their ports if we don't cough up enough for the divorce settlement. Shame they didn't do that to the Germans.
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I wouldn't disagree with that Jim. But I wouldn't be hanging around in any club that only wanted me for my money!

Actually, for a small country we have done a great deal for Europe over the last eighty years. Roll on to 2018 and the French are threatening to block us from their ports if we don't cough up enough for the divorce settlement. Shame they didn't do that to the Germans.

They learnt from their mistakes... keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer.

Still I wouldn't worry too much as the way things are at present, France could soon be at a complete standstill.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

History is always more complicated than the popular narratives would have you believe. France was hopelessly out manoeuvred by the Germans for the simple reason that they focussed all their military investment into passive defence - Maginot line and all that. They acted in this way because the first world war was incredibly hard on them in terms of loss of life and collateral damage to their country. You can't blame them for that.
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No I can't, but it doesn't bother me. I've always been a net contributor to the UK government too, despite now taking a state pension!
Why then make a post a that is so obviously wrong ?

Seems others agree with you, perhaps those that like spending others peoples money, just a guess.
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Then make a personal donation if thats what you want. Don't force everyone else to do the same.

Since when are EU countries more needy than the people here in the UK you claim are in poverty. Surely charity should begin at home?

The UK gives 11 Billion pounds in aid per year ON TOP of our EU contribution but eh thats not enough for some.
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I'm not against continued membership of the EU and agree it better to be within to be able to veto unfavourable new initiatives. However, the EU has become too bureaucratic and I worry about the direction the elite establishment wish to proceed, ultimately forming a United States of Europe with governments of member countries becoming no more than local councils with no real control. The EU needs radical reform.
Wishful thinking that has gone on for too long, and been repeated on here so many times. They need a short sharp shock, cut off the money supply from their second largest contributor, and then maybe just maybe they will change.

Just giving in to their blackmail is not the answer, just look at history.
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Wishful thinking that has gone on for too long, and been repeated on here so many times. They need a short sharp shock, cut off the money supply from their second largest contributor, and then maybe just maybe they will change.

Just giving in to their blackmail is not the answer, just look at history.
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I'm sorry, but this thinking is just so Daily Mail! Reality is not so nicely packaged. Paying dues into a wider community is what we all do all our lives. It's just the way it is. And it seems that the wider UK population is beginning to think the same:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-leave-backers
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I would agree if we could be certain or have any direct control how the funds were used. Experience has proved many times that financial aid is diverted into the hands of corrupt officials, drug lords and many other undesirables. Even food aid, clothing and emergency supplies, given in times of disasters, often never reaches the intended recipients.

The same applies to charity donations in the UK, which SWMBO is very fond of supporting. Unfortunately, she never checks their published accounts to see what percentage ends up funding the "Fat Cats" in administration.

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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

OK, I give in. I am convinced, lets stay and change the EU from within then at least the liberal elite will be happy.

We have actually had two votes on Brexit: the actual referendum and then the following general election where both major parties promised they would respect the referendum result and ensure we leave the EU they received over 80% of the vote.

Democracy ? never mind not important.
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Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Just Googled (the verb to conduct an Internet search), the U.K. is 3rd largest contributor (source: https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-b...ors-eu-budget/ ).

In principle it should focus the minds of the elite EU front men if the UK left without a deal next year. But consider the damage it would cause UK industry, the intangible services, medicine, aviation and more.
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I would agree if we could be certain or have any direct control how the funds were used. Experience has proved many times that financial aid is diverted into the hands of corrupt officials, drug lords and many other undesirables. Even food aid, clothing and emergency supplies, given in times of disasters, often never reaches the intended recipients.

The same applies to charity donations in the UK, which SWMBO is very fond of supporting. Unfortunately, she never checks their published accounts to see what percentage ends up funding the "Fat Cats" in administration.
(As a lifetime atheist, why do I have a strong urge that I have difficulty in suppressing, to point out Christian Values to people? It's quite absurd really!)

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Why then make a post a that is so obviously wrong ?

Seems others agree with you, perhaps those that like spending others peoples money, just a guess.

What is actually wrong with my post? We pay into a system, we get things out of it. If you buy insurance and never claim on it, you're a net contributor. Maybe you don't buy insurance other than that which is a legal requirement i.e third party vehicle insurance. If you join a golf club but don't play as often as some other members you're probably a net contributor. I don't have kids but I pay to educate other people's via the tax system. Why is the EU any different? We pay a membership fee, we get benefits. You moan that Eastern Europeans come over here and take our jobs yet don't seem to understand the reason they do that is they can earn more in a richer country - so if we help make their country richer they won't come so you won't complain about them. It's so simple, but maybe it's too socialist for you, I don't know. So many people seem to fail to see the bigger picture. Ultimately I thinki t's down to greed, pure and simple. And no, as I said before, I've never voted Labour. But I only ever voted Tory once too, for Thatcher's second term. Sadly I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so see little point in voting anyway - but I do.
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Just Googled (the verb to conduct an Internet search), the U.K. is 3rd largest contributor (source: https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-one-b...ors-eu-budget/ ).

In principle it should focus the minds of the elite EU front men if the UK left without a deal next year. But consider the damage it would cause UK industry, the intangible services, medicine, aviation and more.
The E.U. officials have admitted long ago that Brexit will damage the E.U., as well as the U.K..

The link is interesting that it shows that the only countries that pay in less than we do are 'small time' economies - Austria, Denmark, Finland and Italy, as a proportion of G.N.I.. Also that Belgian pays more than we do.

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