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Re: Electricity prices

Remember North Sea Gas it was supposed to last for decades and probably would have still been keeping us warm if it was not been sold abroad for profit.

I trust no government to do the right thing for the people and especially this one.
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I trust no government to do the right thing for the people and especially this one.
It doesn't matter who you vote for - you always get a politician.

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Re: Electricity prices

Electricity is needed to make solar panels. Today the carbon element of that electricity is high, but if more renewable and nuclear generated electricity is brought online the so-called carbon footprint of solar panel manufacturing will fall dramatically.

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Re: Electricity prices

Anyone remember the sci fi series Continuum where in the future large corporations replace governments and rule the world.

It does not seem so far fetched now with the government wringing it hands and shedding crocodile tears for the less well off while bowing to the wishes of the profiteering energy companies.
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Re: Electricity prices

Our household is consuming less gas and electricity than it did ten years ago thanks to better insulation (we rebuilt and enlarged the 60s extension on our house replacing a flat roof with a tiled one plus installed double.glazing and more modern patio doors), replaced almost all our light bulbs with energy savers, updated our heating system with a new more efficient boiler and new radiators, and replaced the old aluminium double glazing on the front of the house with more efficient uvpc double glazing. Switching to an LCD TV has probably helped a bit, too.

We'd like to improve the loft insulation, but there is too much up there, currently, to provide access

I also switched energy provider (only for the second time) last year to one of the smaller companies on a fixed deal that covers three winters. That switch reduced the tariff compared with my old provider even before their price rise last year.

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Our household is consuming less gas and electricity than it did ten years ago thanks to better insulation (we rebuilt and enlarged the 60s extension on our house replacing a flat roof with a tiled one plus installed double.glazing and more modern patio doors), replaced almost all our light bulbs with energy savers, updated our heating system with a new more efficient boiler and new radiators, and replaced the old aluminium double glazing on the front of the house with more efficient uvpc double glazing. Switching to an LCD TV has probably helped a bit, too.

We'd like to improve the loft insulation, but there is too much up there, currently, to provide access

I also switched energy provider (only for the second time) last year to one of the smaller companies on a fixed deal that covers three winters. That switch reduced the tariff compared with my old provider even before their price rise last year.

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We have done nearly exactly the same Ian, we also have a foot of loft insulation but just make sure you have not blocked ventilation at the eaves with it as it could cause a problems.

Myprice is fixed till april 2014 but I will certainly be looking around again.
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Re: Electricity prices

In the 60s they told us nuclear power would provide electricity so cheaply they wouldn't need to meter it ...
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Re: Electricity prices

I see there's no mention of fusion energy.

I was at Culham about 10 years ago and they seemed very optimistic. When I quoted that practical fusion energy is '40 years in the future - and always will be', they were quite dismissive.

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I'm sure fusion is viable but I wouldn't think it will be the utopian resource we are all hoping. They need to make it work on a small scale first and I believe that will be fairly soon - maybe in the next 5-10 years.

But although fuel for a fusion generator will be relatively cheap (and clean), the cost of the generators on an industrial scale will be big.

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'They' were probably journalists!

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Re: Electricity prices

I'm all for Nuclear, the recent developments in fusion will make for very clean and very cheap to produce energy once its up and going, far greater than fission. But that is a while off just yet.

John, Public transport is subsidised, a LOT. But they have it all wrong. Bus operators are given a fuel rebate on a porportion that is used in service. The issue is that as we make diesel vehicles "cleaner" the consumption of fuel increases as the engine becomes more choked by filters and the like. Its a catch 22 until we get more hybrid or diesel electric style buses. People always want to get places quicker and there is an inherent cost in that. At work I'm on a project to increase capacity (mostly through speed uplift as there isn't much more we can do) but to work within the same cost per passenger KM including a number of luxuries that aren't required but are demanded my commuters - WiFi, active cooling systems, infotainment etc etc!

On recycling, I'm a believer because its easy, but we don't do ourselves any favours. In Germany for example, all carbonated drinks of a certain size come in identical bottles that are made from a tough plastic. These are labelled and capped at the plant, then returned to the shop for a rebate (pfandflasche). Bottles are then steam cleaned/washed and re-utilised. They aren't melted down and the environmental cost is far less than remanufacturing. As far as I'm aware the same goes for glass, but I'm not 100% on this - perhaps Falk will chip in.

Soalr panels will get cheaper, and I'm an advocate in the right circumstances.

Our new house has some insulation, about 100mm in the loft, hardly anything in the accessible eaves and nothing in the inaccessible eaves at the front. I'm going to be putting everything to spec, using new more efficient radiators (double panel to be replaced with double panel, double convectors) and eventually replacing the remaining aluminium double glazed door and window in the kitchen with uPVC. Interestingly its reasonably warm already in there despite having a few air leaks and the loft hatch being open.

Where possibly we'll be using LED lighting or the now well established energy saving bulbs - instant on and low power consumption and good light output. And for good measure, I'm putting a PIR in the porch because there just isn't a justification for anything else in there. No need for long blasts of light in such a small space. Also saves fumbling for a switch in the dark.
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Re: Electricity prices

There never will be an inexhaustible cheap source of energy, fusion or otherwise. If such a thing was ever developed to the stage it could be put into production, then the energy and oil companies would pay millions to buy the rights and then quietly bury it.
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Re: Electricity prices

I know that travel costs are not directly connected to Electricity prices but they are relevant to the closely related theme of energy and fuel costs in general. I have an example of how public transport is too expensive. I enjoy the occasional trip to London and I have two ways of getting there.

The first method is to drive to Epping (about 35 miles) then travel on the tube. Cost is approximately 3 for deisel, 6 parking (although I can get this cheaper in town and walk to the station) and 9 travelcard. Total cost 18.

The alternative is to walk a mile from my house to the bus stop, pay 3 return for bus to Dunmow, wait for another bus to Stansted Airport at 5 return, train fare to Liverpool Street 33, total cost 41.00 and I haven't got the flexibility of a tube travelcard.
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Re: Electricity prices

Take a step backwards and look at the broader picture.

The fundamental problem is that the world now has too many people already and the population is increasing at an exponential rate.

More people = more energy needed, more food needed, more destruction of natural resources, more pollution..... Ultimately we're headed for extinction. Since this will not happen within the lifetime of any of us and certainly not in the lifetime of any government nothing is done.

In the short term any of the measures being taken or planned for energy and other resources are merely tinkering with the detail.

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