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Old 17th April 2008
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Photographer's rights

Although I'm not one for harping on about 'rights', it's good to see that this issue has made it to the BBC website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7351252.stm

Mind you, the main photo shows a C- - - n user, so maybe that's the real reason he was picked up

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Interesting article. Thanks for sharing the link.
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This link might help out anyone who is not sure of what is potentially right or wrong, a PDF download, http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php but I agree with both articles that the time has come for some clarity and that the police and other over zealous people in so called authority get some education.
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Re: Photographer's rights

Having been stopped several times by "Security Guards" I have researched this quite extensively. I've also written to Austin Mitchell MP to support his actions

Unless we all stand up for our Rights they will win out by stealth.

Now if approached I "explane" in VERY simple language that they have been incorrectly trained by their employers and that if they believe I am breaking the law to call the police. If they persist I tell them I shall call the Police.

On the occasion when I did call on the Police, they supported me fully

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Never assume malice until you have discounted incompetence.
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Re: Photographer's rights

There has been an active discussion with some interesting content on on of our other sites, DPNow, see:

http://dpnow.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=5362

I got quite cross with an anonymous poster!

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Re: Photographer's rights

I thought the best comment on the first web site flagged up on this thread was:-

"Take some photos of the police who are trying to stop you taking photos. Then tell them you are within your rights to do so and you will not delete them and if they arrest you then you will pursue a case of wrongful arrest. They really hate that.
Graham, Reading"

He may not be right in every set of circumstances but he is for most. Be polite, be reasonable but don't allow yourself to be pushed around when you've done nothing wrong. Be more careful abroad because the law may well differ from our own.
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Re: Photographer's rights

I could not agree with the sentimenets on that BBC piece, with Austin Mitchell MP and with the comments associated that consider that the powermongers are out of place and need to be put back in it.

Like Graham of Rainham I've been stopped, but it's not been at a time when I had the luxury of personal time to get the police involved or I would have

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Re: Photographer's rights

I've read some of the links now and it's even more out of hand than I suspected

I have printed enough copies of the UK photographers rights to put one in each of my camera bags

http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php

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atleast with digital you can recover the photos after there deleated, BUT it shouldnt have to come to that
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Re: Photographer's rights

I decided to visit the Wiltshire Police HQ in Swindon this afternoon to ask them for a copy of any guidelines or information about photography.

When I spoke to someone they immediately demanded to know "Why" I wanted the information. The tone war very confrontational. I explained that I was interested because members of a photographic club had been previously approached, and that I wanted to make sure that I was informed.

I was then asked if I were a photographer. I replied that I was an amateur photographer.

I was then told to wait....no problem I said.

After 15-20 mins I was asked if this was related to the issue in Blackpool, that was on TV this morning. I explained, truthfully, that I have not watched TV for several days, and I was not aware of the issues. I was then informed that the Wiltshire Police have no guidelines. I then asked if the home office would have any information, and I was told that they probably did not.

I mentioned that the London Met have guidelines, and I was told that each force can make up their own guidelines.

I was then told that I could take any photos at any time and to use my common sense. This I found strange, so I asked for clarification.

I was told the same statement again, but that I could not take pictures of a Children’s playground ?????? WTF I thought, but I was not about to make a scene. Morally she is probably correct, but legally? Just to point out here, I do not take pictures of children unless given permission by their parents. When I do the parents (my friends or family) are given the photos anyway as they requested the photos to be taken.

I was also told that I could not take pictures of people’s houses as the owners may confront you.

And that was that.

This encounter just highlights the lack of basic training given to public servants.

At all times I was polite and was not making a nuisance of myself.
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Re: Photographer's rights

Very interesting John, and well done you for having the dedication to go to a Police Station and ask these questions. It would be a very useful survey indeed if more people would do this in their respective locations. I might very well do the same thing in Newport in the coming days.

Interestingly though, I was shooting in Paddington a few days ago, and though when I do this I usually go to reception and obtain an official visitors pass - the Police who approached me when I was taking shots were nothing but friendly, helpful and non-confrontational. It was quite a pleasure to be honest, we joked about some shots, they offered advice as to where I could go to get what I was after, and even suggested I went down to the underground and spoke to a certain person for permission etc.

Very helpful they were.
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Re: Photographer's rights

"Very interesting John, and well done you for having the dedication to go ......"

I was on my way to a meeting that took me past the station. On my way back, I just popped in.

Lets see if anyone else gets any feedback from their police force.
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Re: Photographer's rights

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I was then told that I could take any photos at any time and to use my common sense. This I found strange, so I asked for clarification.

I was told the same statement again, but that I could not take pictures of a Children’s playground ?????? WTF I thought, but I was not about to make a scene. Morally she is probably correct, but legally? Just to point out here, I do not take pictures of children unless given permission by their parents. When I do the parents (my friends or family) are given the photos anyway as they requested the photos to be taken.

I was also told that I could not take pictures of people’s houses as the owners may confront you.
That sort of contradicts you being told you take pictures of whatever you like doesn't it? Doesn't seem they really know what to say. You can't always ask permission, you shouldn't have to if you're in a public place, otherwise there'd be no pictures in the newspapers and no more news videos on the television.

I found a little card on ePhotozine ages ago. I expect a lot of people have printed out to keep with their camera. I've never got round to doing it. It's here http://www.ephotozine.com/download/43

I've seen, somewhere or other, the idea of a web group/forum having its own "membership card" for members to print out as some sort of proof of being a bona fide photographer.

I wonder though, do male photographers get challenged more often than female photographers?
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Re: Photographer's rights

There is an irony here though don't forget - on two points.

1 - While the Police suggest whatever they wish to put into their guidelines, remember that the general public are captured on an average of 300 video cameras daily - all without knowledge or permission (not that it's needed) but what's good for the goose and all that.

2 - the Police will thank you greatly if you managed to inadvertently capture a shot of someone as they entered a jewelers shop they were about to rob eh!
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Re: Photographer's rights

On the subject of Male vs Female Photographers being approached by "Security" or Police, one of my club members spends a lot of her time in london photographing buildings. Not once has she been stopped. But as she says, she is a "Little old Lady" and nobody takes any notice of her.

Because I'm 6' 3" and look like a shifty character, get approached every time I go to London (but not when I use my mju725)

This must surely be an Equal Rights Issue
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