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An(other) encounter with a PCSO

Just to state a positive encounter with a PCSO...

Last week I visited London, and whilst waiting to meet friends at St Pancras, I decided I would like to take some photographs of the station's magnificent architecture. However, mindful of recent publicity, and also in a mood to try and wind someone up, I thought I'd better check on the situation. I approached a PCSO who was standing on his own in the station, and asked him if there were any restrictions on photography.

"Not really", he said. "Just avoid the obvious things like don't take shots of the security cameras, of children, or close-ups of strangers. Other than that, no problem, and if any of the other PCSOs or Police Officers challenge you, say that you've spoken to me." He even volunteered his name and number.

I carried on, took the usual touristy shots and had no problems.
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

okay...you dont take security cameras..could be a terrorist... but children and strangers...spose it is technically not a public space so...
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

Wise move, Stephen. Railway stations are, of course, private property and we cannot expect or demand the same rights to take photographs as we do out in the street. Having said that, it is a public space of sorts with a national heritage, both historical and architectural, and therefore can reasonably be considered of legiimate interest to photographers. The British way of dealing with potential conflicts of interest in situations like this is by courtesy, consideration, tolerance and understanding on all sides and often a polite word with someone in authority is a good place to start.
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

Or in the case of London Underground, applying for a photography permit
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

I didn't know that about the tube. I've taken photos before and thought nothing of it. These quasi public spaces raise an interesting point which we touched upon, but did not resolve, earlier this year in a property law module.

Rights of passage, lawful demonstration (the latter actually spawned a significant piece of litigation involving a shopping centre in Washington IIRC) all wrestle with this as more of our urban areas transition from 'public' to 'private' space.
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

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Or in the case of London Underground, applying for a photography permit
Unfortunately at 30 a pop for a months non-professional/student permit.
And just make sure you don't accidentally get an unlicensed busker or any graffiti in shot.
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

I haven't had problems on London Underground. In fact, when I last read their bye laws (sad old git) it is specifically stated that flash photography is not allowed, which rather implies that non-flash photography is O.K.
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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

From: tfl

"Do I need permission to film or take photographs on the tube?

If you are just passing through, you shouldn't have a problem taking personal snaps, souvenir shots etc, although you must NOT use flash or lights on any of our platforms.

However, if you want to spend more than 10-15 minutes at any one station videoing or taking photos, or if they are for professional use, you MUST have a permit."
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Some good information here - definitely going to rate this thread

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Re: An(other) encounter with a PCSO

Do I get a Blue Peter badge for starting it?

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Do I get a Blue Peter badge for starting it?
Goodness no, it would contravene health and safety. It has a sharp pointy thing in it called a 'pin'. Probably contravenes anti-terrorism legislation as well - that pin could be used as a deadly weapon...

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