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Whats gone wrong.......



This the original Jpeg (I have the RAW). The little boid was some 7 metres away (est). All seemed to be perfect photo, the sun was behind me, plenty of good light as you will see the ISO was 200, and shutter speed was 1/640th at f5.6.




This my processed image, it was quite grainy, and maybe its over processed!! But from the original I expected a super photo, but seem to have only got a very mediocre one...………….

I am here to learn, is the original at fault (camera settings) or is the processing at fault.....??

Looking for constructive comments and help...……….
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

You didn't mention the lens but I looked at the EXIF data and see you were using the 300mmf/4 + 1.4xTC. This explains the very shallow depth of field.



Your processing shows excessive sharpening and, to my taste, is very overdone but the horrible bokeh suggests to me that you might be using a poor quality filter. Do you have a filter on the lens and what is it?


I suggest this because when I first used my Nikon 300mm f/4, I put a cheap filter on it and got horrible results. I describe the problem on my website at http://home.btconnect.com/mike.flemming/filters.htm







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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

Yes the lens was the 300mm F4 with TC1.4 attached. But no filters at all...

I have not sharpened it at all in LR, but have applied extra contrast. Dehazing and clarity do the same, ie sharpening. I will certainly give it another go...….

Thanks for your reply. The actual bird was just so delightful, and I have not been able to bring the reality through......
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......



Wheatear


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Re-worked, and far less contrast.....Bit better I think...
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

I agree the second version is slightly better. But I think the focus was very slightly in front of the bird looking at the grass near its tail and because the depth of field is so thin the bird itself was slightly out. I have done similar shots myself with that combination. What focus setting were you using single point or group?
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

It's a nuthatch I think. Lovely bird, usually seen on tree trunks rather than the ground. And a nice photo too. (I don't know enough about post processing to suggest how it could be even nicer. )
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

Its a Wheatear...……….

Yes re focus, I tend to use the single small point. But the lens sometimes struggles with this, maybe I ought to using either the cross (5 points) or the 9 points.

Much of my photography of small birds is taken when the little burgers are in trees. Thus a single point works best. But there, maybe I should expand the focus area, and give the system a chance...……….



Song Thrush + worm


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This and many others worked well (IMHO!)

Thanks for opinions and comment BTW...………...

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It's a nuthatch I think. Lovely bird, usually seen on tree trunks rather than the ground. And a nice photo too. (I don't know enough about post processing to suggest how it could be even nicer. )
It's definitely a wheatear.
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

Mark I agree with Dave about the focus being why the bird looks slightly under par. You just don't notice it as much on the wider view. The background bokeh though is ugly and that looks just like my 40-150 does occasionally. I didn't think the 300 did that but it looks like it does. This shot is probably about the worst combination of busy background that's not too far away to show up the nervous Bokeh. So in that case I'd say you've just been unlucky and ought to resort to extra blur in Photoshop.
The Song Thrush is a beauty btw.
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Mark I agree with Dave about the focus being why the bird looks slightly under par. You just don't notice it as much on the wider view. The background bokeh though is ugly and that looks just like my 40-150 does occasionally. I didn't think the 300 did that but it looks like it does. This shot is probably about the worst combination of busy background that's not too far away to show up the nervous Bokeh. So in that case I'd say you've just been unlucky and ought to resort to extra blur in Photoshop.
The Song Thrush is a beauty btw.
Thanks Phill. I normally don't use Photoshop, and I don't think we can blur things in Lightroom. So that is something learnt, thanks.

But probably the real lesson is what to do in the field to better the photo. To my eye, the little fella was just perfect...…….hey ho....
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

Hi Mark, I feel your pain.
I occasionally use the 1.4 with my 300mm f4 and would say the images quality drops and focus isn't always as accurate as with the lens only; some images I took last weekend showed definite 'ghosting' and left me feeling disappointed (my first ever Ptarmigan). The 300 on its own is outstanding, but my copy of the 1.4 has a negative effect.
This shot used the 1.4:


This one is the 300 only and a tighter crop in PP:
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This shot used the 1.4:

This one is the 300 only and a tighter crop in PP:
You can certainly see the difference.
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Re: Whats gone wrong.......

Iain, it looks to me as if the shot with the MC-14 has focused on the grass just behind the most prominent Ptarmigan, rather than the bird itself. When I use the 1.4x I am always shocked by just how much the lens is waving about when I attempt to take a shot, no matter how much I attempt to hold it steady. I suspect the focus point is often not where I think it is when I press the shutter button. A monopod would probably help but I really don't want to carry any more weight.

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Hi Mark, I feel your pain.
I occasionally use the 1.4 with my 300mm f4 and would say the images quality drops and focus isn't always as accurate as with the lens only; some images I took last weekend showed definite 'ghosting' and left me feeling disappointed (my first ever Ptarmigan). The 300 on its own is outstanding, but my copy of the 1.4 has a negative effect.
This shot used the 1.4:


This one is the 300 only and a tighter crop in PP:
Any photo of a ptarmigan is a good'un!

I love ptarmigan, but as I only ever see them in summer have never seen them in their winter plumage.

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It's definitely a wheatear.
Mea culpa. Now I look again I see it is.
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