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Second hand cars

Completely non-photo topic, but hope someone can help...

We need to replace our family car and I have boiled the choice down to a used Mazda 6 (previous shape, around 2007). Have identified one at a reputable national dealer group, right price and mileage and the condition appears to be good (not seen it in the metal though). Am reluctantly going for petrol rather than diesel as too many people tell me that diesels go wrong too frequently and can be very expensive to fix.

Anyway, the car in question is ex-lease but there is only partial service history from Mazda UK - the pre-delivery service and 24,000 mile servce (at 18 months old). The car has done 38,000 miles.

Should I be worried about this?

Incidentally, it's a Mazda 6 2.3 Sport hatchback.

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Re: Second hand cars

Car and engine design has had a total revolution since my oil-stained days keeping my Morris 1300 running. I sold my last Ford at 9 years old, 72000 miles and it still burnt or dripped zero oil, it went like a dream and was barely rusty. How can that be??

Needless to say I replaced it with the current version Ford. Both of these were petrol. If you don't do 30k+ a year, it seems you don't need a Diesel.

OK, the Mazda could have more stamps in the book but that isn't such a bad thing these days.

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Re: Second hand cars

Although 10 years since I owned one, I had two Mazda 626's in succession and they were good, reliable and cheap to run and I owned one for 5yrs and one for four. Both were a year old when I bought them from a Mazda dealer.
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Re: Second hand cars

Ian,

I have no experience of Mazda cars but their reputation is good. Modern diesel engines are excellent and do not suffer from any more problems than petrol engines in my experience. I would be a little concerned about the lack of Mazda servicing records because although there are many private car mechanics who do specialize in particular makes of car in regard to servicing etc.., modern electronic control systems usually require up to date knowledge. If you could arrange a Mazda specialist garage to carry out a full examination of the car before purchase that should provide you with the information you need.

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Re: Second hand cars

As has been mentioned here, you need to do the miles for diesel to be cost-effective. We only do 8-10K miles with the family car per year and most of that is town driving. The problem with modern diesels is the DPF (diesel particulate filter) which need a sustained fast drive of at least 10 minutes on a regularl basis to be kept in good fettle. If they clog up the consequences can vary from an uscheduled dealer service to a new DPF unit (dealer fitted can be up to 2,000) or other engine damage. Turbos can also go wrong, as can the injectors. After driving a diesel during the summer, I'm in awe at fuel economy (60mpg on long runs compared to 40mpg if I'm lucky for petrol) but in reality the saving is only 500-600 per year and the possibility of a 2,000 problem bill is not easy to live with. If I was buying a new car with a 3 year manufacturers warranty, I'd definitely go for a diesel, but it's not worth the risk with a 3 year old used car methinks.

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Re: Second hand cars

I don't think there'd be any problems with a diesel. 2.3 litres might make it a little thirsty, but the car should be a sound choice. I know someone who bought a second hand Mazda 6 a year or so ago and seems to like it. I'd just check the usual things before buying. Maybe check the eveness of the tyre wear, as that may be a good indicator of the level care of the previous owner.

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Re: Second hand cars

I think the Diesel debate is polarised, a bit like the Marmite thing :-) If I were doing lots of miles then there would be no question, it would have to be Diesel.

However I had an Astra 2L diesel 6 speed for a week while mine was being crash repaired. What an odd experience compared to my 1.8 petrol:

Negotiating your average Basingstoke roundabout, you get 3 seconds with nowhere near enough acceleration, followed by 7 seconds of far too much acceleration

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Re: Second hand cars

I've had both diesels and petrol. Swings and roundabouts. Modern diesels can accelerate as quick if not quicker in real terms (ie, not on the race track) because of the enhanced torque. However, you rightly point out that mpg benefits only come to play on high annual sums. Plus diesel fuel is more expensive to buy.

Mazdas are good, well made cars. Remember that most Mazdas run on Ford floorpans - the 6 is essentially a Mondeo underneath, as they are both ultimately the same company.

Get a HPI check to verify ownership and lack of outstanding finance, and if you're still wary, an independent engineer's check.
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Re: Second hand cars

Ian,

I have two diesel cars, a SAAB 9.3 1.9 turbo diesel with a Hirsch performance chip and a Mitsubishi Shogun Sport 4x4 2.5 turbo diesel.

The SAAB is my ninth SAAB in 30 years. The previous one to my current car was a 3 litre turbo diesel, and up until the diesel versions I had trouble free motoring. Both the 3.0 & 1.9 have had recurring problems with the EGR valve (exhaust gas recirculation) which were replaced several times, mostly under warranty. On a long motorway journey I get 52 mpg with the SAAB.

My other car, the Mitsubishi, has been 100% reliable in all departments, although it is a lot heavier on fuel.

The 3.5 year old SAAB has now done 83,000 miles & the 5.5 year old Mitsubishi 58,000 miles, so in terms of fuel costs I will probably stick with diesel, but perhaps may change from SAAB.
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I believe the Mazda in question uses a god awful Ford diesel, which isknown for being shall we say temperamental. The petrol is supposedly good, I know a few owners who have nothing but praise for them. 2.3 though - might be a bit thirsty?

Have you thought about one of the newer Accord diesels? They are supposed to about the finest diesels available - I gather they're a bit tax band unfriendly though?

I would certainly consider a Mazda 6 if I wanted a family bus or rep mobile but fortunately I can stick to things with Coupe in the description for now!
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I believe the Mazda in question uses a god awful Ford diesel, which isknown for being shall we say temperamental. The petrol is supposedly good, I know a few owners who have nothing but praise for them. 2.3 though - might be a bit thirsty?

Have you thought about one of the newer Accord diesels? They are supposed to about the finest diesels available - I gather they're a bit tax band unfriendly though?

I would certainly consider a Mazda 6 if I wanted a family bus or rep mobile but fortunately I can stick to things with Coupe in the description for now!
My understanding is that Mazda 6 engines are all Mazda designs but that Ford uses selected models. First-generation DPFs are problematic across the board, regardless of make. It's a bit like when catalytic converters were first introduced.

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Re: Second hand cars

Hi Ian,

Have a read here on the Mazda 6, I use Parker's for checking out patterns of problems with any potential purchases:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...back-2002.aspx

Also here:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/owners...aspx?model=454


I don't know how close you are to your decision but do you really need/want the 2.3? I have a 2001 Mondeo (same car, basically) 2.0 petrol at the moment and it has plenty of "get up and go" for me. It also has a chain cam engine which is good news on reliability.

Don't worry about not getting a diesel given your annual mileage. They cost more to buy, fuel duty is higher although they emit less CO2, they cost more to mend and need servicing more often. Modern TD engines are so tuned for emissions regulations that they have lost one of their main benefits: Flexibility - my 306 2.0HDi would pull off the clutch in second gear without any revs and would crawl in traffic all day like that without harming the engine (149k and going well until some twit drove into it). A modern one won't do that. TDs are still good on a motorway but nowhere else, comparitively.

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Re: Second hand cars

The 2.3 litre petrol definitely has a chain-driven cam, it also has variable valve timing(SVT) and a balancer shaft. The 2 litre doesn't have the balancer shaft but does have SVT.

To be honest, I simply want to get as much spec. for my money and the Sport, which comes with the 2.3 litre engine, is much the same price as the lower-spec. TS and TS2 models. If driven sympathetically, a larger engine can be just as economical as a smaller one in the chassis, and yet there is more powere there when you need it. I'd hope the larger engine would be less stressed as well.

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Re: Second hand cars

Sound reasoning - and to go for the higher spec is good sense as the initial depreciation is gone.
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Re: Second hand cars

Although Ford used to have a major investment in Mazda and they do share technologies, I don't think the Mazda 6 is simply a re-styled Mondeo. The wheelbases are different for a start, and I believe they have completely different suspension.

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