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W10: The mucking of M$'s byre

Received this as an email from my sister's son. As a B day present she was given a tablet type W10 PC, namely a Linx 10 4v64.

Not sure how it all works as I have kept to W7 over which I still have a modicum of control.

The instructions that follow seem pretty straight-forward but, 'the best laid plans...' spring to mind.

Note: If you choose to continue, other than clearing the desktop it apparently makes little difference in saved disk space.


Using a - PowerShell cmdlet - many of the built-in apps can be uninstalled, even those that don’t offer an “Uninstall” option.

These four Apps can’t be removed:
Contact Support - Cortana - Microsoft Edge - Windows Feedback If you try, you’ll see an error message saying they can’t be removed.


First, open PowerShell as administrator.

Open the Start menu, search for “PowerShell,” right-click the PowerShell shortcut, and select “Run as administrator.” Agree to the UAC prompt.

IE: To uninstall 3D Builder: Type in or Copy & Paste the code shown below.
Get-AppxPackage *3dbuilder* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Alarms and Clock:
Get-AppxPackage *windowsalarms* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Calculator:
Get-AppxPackage *windowscalculator* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Calendar and Mail:
Get-AppxPackage *windowscommunicationsapps* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Camera:
Get-AppxPackage *windowscamera* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Get Office:
Get-AppxPackage *officehub* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Get Skype:
Get-AppxPackage *skypeapp* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Get Started:
Get-AppxPackage *getstarted* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Groove Music:
Get-AppxPackage *zunemusic* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Maps:
Get-AppxPackage *windowsmaps* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Microsoft Solitaire Collection:
Get-AppxPackage *solitairecollection* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Money:
Get-AppxPackage *bingfinance* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Movies & TV:
Get-AppxPackage *zunevideo* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall News:
Get-AppxPackage *bingnews* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall People:
Get-AppxPackage *people* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Phone Companion:
Get-AppxPackage *windowsphone* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall Photos:
Get-AppxPackage *photos* | Remove-AppxPackage

Uninstall OneNote:
Get-AppxPackage *onenote* | Remove-AppxPackage


How to Reinstall All Built-in Apps


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If you change your mind after the fact, you can reinstall the apps with a special PS command.

As before... Start PowerShell in administrative mode. Then copy and paste this command into the prompt and press Enter:

Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers| Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}

It will likely take a few minutes, so be patient. All the built-in Windows 10 apps should return to the Start Menu.
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Re: W10: The mucking of M$'s byre

urghhh... why ??? then you just have to crab around for apps to do the same things in a slightly less well integrated way and for most of them you have to pay or put up with ads.

I have installed only about 50% of the apps I had on a win7.5 device because the pre-installed ones just work ..
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If you don't like Windows on a tablet, there are alternatives; Android and iOS.

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If you don't like Windows on a tablet, there are alternatives; Android and iOS.

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And you'll get just as many apps you don't want that you can't get rid of. This really annoys me. Even if you get a new desktop, you have to spend an age getting rid of the commercial cr@p they put on there. McAffee, AOL et al.
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Even if you get a new desktop, you have to spend an age getting rid of the commercial cr@p they put on there. McAffee, AOL et al.
That I agree with which is why I always get bare bones systems and layer on myself, but I'm happy to do that.

What I don't get is the desire to de- functionalise (if that's a word) a perfectly good machine e.g. remove camera app when you will just have to put another one back that's less integrated to use the hardware

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That I agree with which is why I always get bare bones systems and layer on myself, but I'm happy to do that.
Good idea, I must try that next, my desktop is getting long in the tooth. Where do you source your machine from?

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Yeah, agreed unless there's a functionality issue, or I REALLY don't want the app. My old Nexus tablet was useless for controlling the camera, it was way to slow, so I took off all the stuff I wouldn't need on it and hey presto - perfectly usable.
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Re: W10: The mucking of M$'s byre

John has made my point - this is not a Microsoft-specific issue, so I don't see the point of berating Microsoft pointedly.

Many default apps can't be removed as they are in a protected part of the the system, almost like a ROM. But they usually can be disabled.

Android tablets often have third-party projects behind them with hand-crafted 'ROMs' or streamlined and optimised versions of Android. In fact you can sometimes install Android onto Windows tablet hardware

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Even if you get a new desktop, you have to spend an age getting rid of the commercial cr@p they put on there. McAffee, AOL et al.
Yes, a few years ago I bought a small Lenovo PC for use as a media centre, plugged into the TV. It came with McAfee pre-installed. From new it had an annoying stutter on the sound when playing videos - caused by McAfee. I removed that and had no further trouble. It tends to be consumer-grade machines that suffer the most from pre-installed software, machines intended for business tend not to.

As for Win10 apps, the same machine crashes whenever it attempts to launch the Photos and Movies apps. It's only four years old but AMD can't be bothered to write a Win10 driver for the graphics. Luckily it still works fine with the old Win7 Media Player and Photo Viewer so I've got rid of the new ones. However, if you buy a new machine with Win10 pre-installed, you don't get the option as Media Player and Photo Viewer are not included as standard.

There are a few iOS apps I'd like to get rid of on my iPhone too, but I can't.
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I'm surprised you say that there are no up to date AMD graphics drivers. Have you tried on the AMD site itself? I have a five year old Dell laptop and it has nVidia graphics and while the Dell support stopped a long time ago the nVidia graphics drivers downloadable from the nVidia site are still being updated.

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And you'll get just as many apps you don't want that you can't get rid of. This really annoys me. Even if you get a new desktop, you have to spend an age getting rid of the commercial cr@p they put on there. McAffee, AOL et al.
It isn't just computers and it isn't just Microsoft.

I have an Android phone (Sony Z3) and an Apple iPad, both of which came loaded with crapware that I don't need and will never use.

What particularly annoys me is that every single one of the Android apps seems to update itself on a weekly basis, using unnecessary internet bandwidth and battery power to update apps that I have no need for. Getting rid of them seems to cause more problems than it is worth.

Why oh why does a mobile phone have to be made so complicated? I am perfectly capable of installing apps that I want and need.


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Yes, a few years ago I bought a small Lenovo PC for use as a media centre, plugged into the TV.
Lenovo are particularly naughty. They obviously twigged on that users were uninstalling crapware from their hard drives, so they installed it in firmware instead!

I guess the problem is that the profit margin on Personal Computers is small, so the manufacturers supplement their income by installing crapware to bring in some revenue.

I guess we have the choice of spending twice as much on an Apple Mac, but Steve Jobs was the biggest control freak on the planet, designing hardware so users have no option but to buy Apple's extortionately priced adaptors.

Steve Jobs might be long gone, but his sprit lives on. Just try plugging a pair of non-Apple headphones into an iPhone 7.
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Good idea, I must try that next, my desktop is getting long in the tooth. Where do you source your machine from?
I got my last 2 from MeshComputers who supply a configure option that comes with No Os, No Office and No Anti malware.

All of which did not really matter because I bought a system with 2 large hard drives for bulk storage, but fitted 4 more of my own (one of which has the OS on it)

It allowed me to spend money on what was most important (motherboard & processor) & reuse some excellent components I had already. I know other suppliers do offer the same but their service has been good the 3 times I've used them in the last few years
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I'm surprised you say that there are no up to date AMD graphics drivers. Have you tried on the AMD site itself? I have a five year old Dell laptop and it has nVidia graphics and while the Dell support stopped a long time ago the nVidia graphics drivers downloadable from the nVidia site are still being updated.

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Yes, I have looked long and hard at the AMD web site! The graphics are AMD/ATI Radeon HD6400 and they say they are not supporting them on Windows 10. I have installed the latest version of their software (which also installed a load of gaming apps in which I'm not the slightest bit interested) and I still have the problem. Well, it's more an inconvenience than a problem. Lenovo suggests I "reset Windows" but that means re-installing all my software which is just too much of a faff, so I simply carry on with Media Player etc. I don't much like the Movies and Photos apps anyway. The machine is like a Mac Mini form factor and I strongly suspect everything's on the motherboard so a new graphics card is not possible.

My other machine is a Dell desktop with AMD/ATI Radeon X1300. The suggestion there was to use the Win8.1 driver which works up to a point but many dialog boxes are corrupted. I fixed that by buying a cheapo ASUS graphics card with an nVidia chipset which has drivers for both XP and Win10, both of which are installed on separate partitions. ASUS does not provide the XP driver but I found one on the nVidia site.

It annoys me that manufacturers cease support for products so quickly when users have little option but to "upgrade" the OS. I don't understand why a new version of Windows needs new drivers, surely the interfaces can't be that different? And if they are, why?
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Lenovo are particularly naughty. They obviously twigged on that users were uninstalling crapware from their hard drives, so they installed it in firmware instead!
No, McAfee was easily uninstalled from the HD. Similarly the Lenovo all-in-one I bought a few months ago came with McAfee and that got deleted as well I bought that to replace the Dell which was plagued with overheating problems when running at high cpu usage (which DxO likes to do a lot) and shutting down. That has an AMD cpu. A friend recently told me about an advanced setting in Windows Power & Sleep which allows you to specify a maximum cpu usage. Setting that to 98% completely cured the overheating issue and would have saved me 699 for the Lenovo and an awful lot of time porting software and files across - which could have been spent waiting for the Dell to process the pictures I've since done on the Lenovo rather more quickly! I'm afraid that the cpu and Radeon graphics issues I've had with AMD mean their products won't be darkening my door again.
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Some interesting comments have surfaced and it's nice to see that all is well in the crap installed S/W side of things.

The original posts intentions were to highlight that there may exist ways to remove some of the Apps that for many, are more of a desk-top crowding nuisance than anything else.

I had hoped to buy off this forum an iPad but was outvoted and as I am nearly 400 miles (0 trip) from the units location it made sense to go with the flow.

The unit my sister now has is powered with an eMMC drive which cannot be removed and has a very limited - by today's standards - capacity of 64GB on which W10 is installed with a reserve partition to reset the original factory installation

It is also her very first entry into owning a PC/Tablet so the various OS's wasn't a real issue and, at 70 years young, I doubt very much she will be tinkering with settings etc.

Anyhow, after several day's use she is getting quite proficient in its use. She now knows how to use Skype and to switch it on and off.

PS: On the W10 front, the latest news I have heard is that Classic Shell has been banned from use on the latest update cycle? True or false I haven't a clue but it does, perhaps, high-light the way tings are going.
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HI Wally your post did open up some interesting debate

BTW there are simpler ways to unclutter a win10 metro style desktop without uninstalling apps

1. Unpin from start screen Press and old the start live tile and then unpin
2. Press and hold and then drop them on top of each other and it creates a folder system that allows you to group things

Both of those approaches work on my phone. I've not actually used a win10 tablet

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