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Olympus OM-D E-M1 The first Micro Four Thirds camera that offers phase detect focusing so you can use Four Thirds DSLR lenses normally as well a Micro Four Thirds lenses.

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Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I'm in a bit of a deep pit right now as far as my E-M1 for birds. It's the AF I'm talking about, I recently spent some time in New York City and upstate in the Catskills.
The half-day walkabout in Central Park produced just a handful of keepers and at my son-in-laws place upstate the poor AF frustrated the hell out of me and by the time I'd focussed the birds had flown.
I've carefully followed the many excellent tips on forums and websites, I was using S-AF on my 300mm F4 Pro. In highly controlled conditions (my garden sitting in my chair hide!) I have a higher rate of keepers but outside I'm struggling to the point of despair.

I think I have 2 choices, wait for the Mkii and shell out 1850 minus what I'd get for my Mk1 or go back to Canon for birds.
Oddly I'd keep the Mk1 as it has plenty other fine points as has my lovely E-M5ii and you'd have to prise the 12-40 2.8 from my cold dead hands.

I'd be looking to sell my 300mm F4 Pro and with that cash I could easily buy s/h a 7Dii and a Canon 400mm F5.6L.
Trouble probably is I've been spoilt for AF having used a Canon 1D4 for years.

Apologies for the whinge!
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I think you should wait to test the Mk2 - if you are still in NY State perhaps you try a visit to B&H to see what they will charge - assuming they have them in shortly.

I do not think that the dollar will get any cheaper.
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

Don't apologise. I too had to go to a Canon 7D with 100-400mm lens for birds.
I use the EM-1 for everything else. It is horses for courses.
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I'd be looking to sell my 300mm F4 Pro and with that cash I could easily buy s/h a 7Dii and a Canon 400mm F5.6L.
Trouble probably is I've been spoilt for AF having used a Canon 1D4 for years.

Apologies for the whinge!
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

The mk2 with focus limiting as well as all the other AF improvements will provide you with all your needs.

Having tried it and everything I've read is very encouraging. Well worth giving it a try, especially with the 300 f/4
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I don't see any problem with focusing on birds using the E-M1 in S-AF on my 300mm F4 Pro. Using C-AF is more tricky with a smaller % of keepers but this is still possible. An example from yesterday:

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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I fully understand your frustration of the EM1 CAF performance. I have not used the 7DmkII but all I have read is it is the bees knees for CAF. I fear that Oly may have oversold the performance of the CAF on the EM1MKII. If birds and CAF is your main photo needs and you are OK with the extra weight then 2 systems may well be the way to go. There is a word of caution if the new EM1MKII does prove to be really good on CAF and you sold your 300mm F4 to fund the switch you may regret it. What I think you should also consider is the benefit of having a pro capture mode especially for birds, It seems to promise to get those shots when you think you pressed the shutter too late.
Good luck with your decision.
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I've posted before a link to a dpreview post that described the E5 in combination with the Zuiko 35-100 f2, plus a grip:

"Like it was said and proved many times here, Olympus C-AF really works great with the right settings techniques. I've done it even with the E-620 and 40-150mm MKII with good results, but with the E-5 and the 35-100 it was superb.

I want to add that I also used briefly the E-5 with grip and the 50-200 SWD and it was the fastest AF performance I have ever saw. It was like lightning, a Nikon D3 with 70-200mm seemed very slow by comparison. The only combination I used that seems to compete is the Canon 1DX with the 70-200mm IS II. You don't believe me, try it. A side note, for different reasons I use Nikon gear now."

I'm surprised that the latest OLympus cameras are not as good as those 4 of years ago!

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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I think the truth is that the E-M1 can do the job, but it requires a certain level of skill in both setting up the camera options plus actual shooting skill. Of course if the E-M1 isn't working for you then you need to consider an alternative. However, that alternative will not necessarily be any better if, I'm afraid, the necessary ability on the part of the photrographer is the root cause of the problem. That said, the Canon 7D does seem to be exceptionally easy to use.

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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

I think that my ability to shoot birds both stationary and in flight is not part of the problem.
In the past 10 years I've used 2 different flavours of Canon 1D and a Canon 7D with various long prime L lenses ( 400mm F5.6, 300mm F2.8 and 500mm F4) with good results, I say this with all humility.
My problem may be that I'm simply not setting the body up optimally. What is true is that the E-M1 is certainly the most complex in terms of shooting options of any body I've used and maybe I've not addressed these issues fully enough.

In other words, I need to read the manual properly!
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

After the pre-order shipping backlog of E-M1 Mkii has been cleared, I would expect that Olympus will include this body as a part of their "Test & WOW" scheme. That would provide you with an opportunity to give the Mkii a thorough work out over a few days with your 300f4 - without taking a financial commitment up-front.

Whether this works for you depends on how rapidly you want to decide. Good luck.
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

EM-1 mkII full review now out on DPReview, while not perfect the C-AF does read pretty well.
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

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I think that my ability to shoot birds both stationary and in flight is not part of the problem.
In the past 10 years I've used 2 different flavours of Canon 1D and a Canon 7D with various long prime L lenses ( 400mm F5.6, 300mm F2.8 and 500mm F4) with good results, I say this with all humility.
My problem may be that I'm simply not setting the body up optimally. What is true is that the E-M1 is certainly the most complex in terms of shooting options of any body I've used and maybe I've not addressed these issues fully enough.

In other words, I need to read the manual properly!
Hahahahahahahaha!

Sorry. The manual is one thing that nearly all of us criticise about Olympus cameras. All it really does is list the options, of which there are a great many, without providing any guidance about how and when to use them for best effect. Lots of options is A Good Thing in general, because it allows you to tame the camera to your own tastes, but with things like auto-focus there are many different things that tie together. Setting each of them individually is one thing, finding the right combo that works for you is an order of magnitude more difficult.

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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

You have to search out the various web pages that describe the optimal setup - however those pages will not be there for Christmas.
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Re: Thinking of going back to Canon for birds/wildlife!

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I don't see any problem with focusing on birds using the E-M1 in S-AF on my 300mm F4 Pro. Using C-AF is more tricky with a smaller % of keepers but this is still possible. An example from yesterday:

I don't get result like that with mine!

I'd get a perfect shed with an out of focus owl, trees, fence posts - no owl!

I need to crib how you use yours!
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