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Re: Boris Gate

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Given the very real risks of renewed violence on the island of Ireland surely the EU has at least a moral duty to mitigate those risks by making reasonable concessions?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but ultimately they have to look after members of the EU (Irish Republic). They may sympathise with the plight of N.I., but it will be the U.K's responsibility, not the E.U's. The mess in N.I. will be of the U.K's making.

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Regarding 'b': America will be controlling us when we leave. Isn't that obvious?
That might be the preferred option.

Chinese 70 year celebrations very similar to the Nazi Nuremburg rallies in the 1930s.

In 1939 Germany had 1.5 million well-trained men available for action. It also had 9 panzer divisions. Each one had 328 tanks, 8 support battalions and 6 artillery batteries.

China currently has 2.7 million with half a million reserves. 13,000 tanks and over 10,000 artillery.

In recent decades Russia has had similar displays of strength and has used it to invade their neighbours.

If the Chinese come this way they will have to come through the USA or through the EU.

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The UK will look just as crap as it always does, Thatcher saw to that many years ago. Everything privatised and run for profit rather than a service.
High streets run down packed full of cheap rubbish goods shops, workers on zero hours contracts. Our home grown chavvy scumbags equal to anything we have imported. Pension schemes not worth a carrot and home ownership replaced by let for life. We have made a right mess of it and now we deny our youngsters the chance of something better elsewhere.
I travel to the EU very often and they are enjoying life much more than the sad place this country has become.
Seems you have a short memory. I am sure we all miss 3 day weeks, power cuts, wildcat strikes, no bin collections, no burials sure was fun.

Please tell us exactly where this nirvana you describe is. Is it in France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, Catalonia.... I could go on.

If you feel the UK is so crap then why do you choose to live here?
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Ironically those people could choose to live in Europe now, but not after Brexit.

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If the Chinese come this way they will have to come through the USA or through the EU.
My understanding is that China has never had ambitions to build an empire, and invaded other countries to do so. Tibet might be mentioned to prove otherwise, but Tibet has always been a province of China. It's simply that China never asserted its authority until recently.

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Seems you have a short memory. I am sure we all miss 3 day weeks, power cuts, wildcat strikes, no bin collections, no burials sure was fun.

Please tell us exactly where this nirvana you describe is. Is it in France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, Catalonia.... I could go on.

If you feel the UK is so crap then why do you choose to live here?
I never intended to stay here once my family obligations were fulfilled.
So thanks for messing up my retirement plans, had hoped for something more pleasant than being stuck in this country.
Please don't moan when there isn't anyone to attend to you in the care home. Don't think all those who complain their jobs have been stolen will be rushing to feed you
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Seems you have a short memory. I am sure we all miss 3 day weeks, power cuts, wildcat strikes, no bin collections, no burials sure was fun.

Please tell us exactly where this nirvana you describe is. Is it in France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, Catalonia.... I could go on.

If you feel the UK is so crap then why do you choose to live here?
I think we can all discount this for the sarcastic post that it is!

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Re: Boris Gate

Did anyone see the following hilarious piece of news the other day?

A Welsh politician was saying that Wales ought to seek Independence after Brexit, and having achieved it seek membership of the E.U..

Wales is the country that voted to leave the E.U..

Someone tell me that I didn't hear it or got it wrong, so I can stop laughing!

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I think we can all discount this for the sarcastic post that it is!

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The first line could perhaps be more of a prophecy than anything else.
Include drug shortages and that could be an excerpt from "Operation Yellowhammer"
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The first line could perhaps be more of a prophecy than anything else.
Include drug shortages and that could be an excerpt from "Operation Yellowhammer"
Body bags - you forgot the body bags!

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Re: Boris Gate

It's interesting to see how politically based discussions like this eventually brings some members true nature to the fore. Thank goodness we still have some polite, intelligent, thoughtful ones who balance things out somewhat.

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Did anyone see the following hilarious piece of news the other day?

A Welsh politician was saying that Wales ought to seek Independence after Brexit, and having achieved it seek membership of the E.U..

Wales is the country that voted to leave the E.U..

Yes Jim, I read it too. I also read somewhere that there is a view in Wales that the English incomers in Wales swung the Welsh vote there. It would make some sense given that Scotland and Northern Ireland also voted Remain. The English are the Leavers, by and large.
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The UK will look just as crap as it always does, Thatcher saw to that many years ago. Everything privatised and run for profit rather than a service.
High streets run down packed full of cheap rubbish goods shops, workers on zero hours contracts. Our home grown chavvy scumbags equal to anything we have imported. Pension schemes not worth a carrot and home ownership replaced by let for life. We have made a right mess of it and now we deny our youngsters the chance of something better elsewhere.
I travel to the EU very often and they are enjoying life much more than the sad place this country has become.
Have you visited Greece recently? Italy and Spain are not in much better shape either thanks to the Euro.

I would suggest that you are scraping the barrel with Mrs T too. She was Prime Minister from 4 May 1979 until 28 November 1990 and died on 8 April 2013 - six years ago. I don't know if you were around in 1979 but I was, and it was not a pleasant time. Nationalisation was bankrupting the country which had become an economic basket case, the unions were in charge and we had three months-worth of rubbish piled on the streets, with rats the size of cats enjoying the spoils. Even death provided no escape because the unions wouldn't even allow the dead to be buried!

Given that backdrop big changes were unavoidable. Another five years of Labour and we would probably have welcomed Soviet tanks rumbling down The Mall. And what would we have done with the coal mines and steel works now? Pour the stuff into the North Sea just to keeps jobs going? There were many aspects of Margaret Thatcher's Prime Ministership that I was not happy with, including the closure of some of our remaining shipyards, but even the late Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn later conceded that the closure of old, inefficient nationalised industries was unavoidable. He also said that Margaret Thatcher was 'well to the left of Tony Blair'.

In any case we had thirteen years of socialist utopia under Brown and Blair, who during a period of unprecedented public spending and borrowing would surely have righted all the wrongs of the Thatcher era? Dear Gordon even sold our gold reserves at rock bottom prices to fund his public spending, and raided the pension funds that you mention.

Some people do have very short memories indeed. I for one do not have any wish to return the late 1970's.
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Have you visited Greece recently? Italy and Spain are not in much better shape either thanks to the Euro.

I would suggest that you are scraping the barrel with Mrs T too. She was Prime Minister from 4 May 1979 until 28 November 1990 and died on 8 April 2013 - six years ago. I don't know if you were around in 1979 but I was, and it was not a pleasant time. Nationalisation was bankrupting the country which had become an economic basket case, the unions were in charge and we had three months-worth of rubbish piled on the streets, with rats the size of cats enjoying the spoils. Even death provided no escape because the unions wouldn't even allow the dead to be buried!

Given that backdrop big changes were unavoidable. Another five years of Labour and we would probably have welcomed Soviet tanks rumbling down The Mall. And what would we have done with the coal mines and steel works now? Pour the stuff into the North Sea just to keeps jobs going? There were many aspects of Margaret Thatcher's Prime Ministership that I was not happy with, including the closure of some of our remaining shipyards, but even the late Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn later conceded that the closure of old, inefficient nationalised industries was unavoidable. He also said that Margaret Thatcher was 'well to the left of Tony Blair'.

In any case we had thirteen years of socialist utopia under Brown and Blair, who during a period of unprecedented public spending and borrowing would surely have righted all the wrongs of the Thatcher era? Dear Gordon even sold our gold reserves at rock bottom prices to fund his public spending, and raided the pension funds that you mention.

Some people do have very short memories indeed. I for one do not have any wish to return the late 1970's.
Ok, lets discuss Thatcher, pointless waste of life lost in the Falklands for political purposes.
Destroying many Northern communities, selling off everything to those who indirectly already owned it.
Social housing stock decimated to ensure home buyers were in no position to take industrial action.
Introducton of Poll Tax that ensured anyone living in a Labour controlled London borough paid crazy amounts, ours was 600 per person annually. Those in places like Westminster paid nothing or in some cases 40 quid a year.
Deregulation of the stock Market that brought about the vile yuppie behaviour. I witnessed that first hand and it was sickening to see.

So yes i'm somewhat suspicious of Tories and the current PM is just the latest incarnation of that evil woman.

No I haven't visited those countries recently, but have this year been to the Netherlands, France, Germany and Belgium.
All of which have a far less unpleasant atmosphere than that which prevails in the UK at the moment.

You and I are obviously poles apart in our political leanings.
I respect your views and the reasoning was fair too, much better than the go and live there rubbish.
Totally disagree, but hey ho, that's life and we are all entitled to our views
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Re: Boris Gate

Hello ALL!

Can we please express our feelings, opinions, beliefs, etc., in a way that is not directed towards any specific fellow members of this group.

Totally disagreeing with something is perfectly acceptable, if it is not directed at an individual; other than Boris, who deserves all the credit for all he does and says.

As has been said, many times, we all appreciate how good this forum is, and keeping it such remains our No1 priority!

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