Olympus UK E-System User Group
Olympus UK E-System User Group

Join our unique resource for Olympus Four Thirds E-System DSLR and Pen and OM-D Micro Four Thirds photographers. Show your images via our free e-group photo gallery. Please read the e-group.uk.net forum terms and conditions before posting for the first time. Above all, welcome!


Go Back   Olympus UK E-System User Group > Cameras, lenses and system accessories > Software

Software Discuss Olympus Master, Studio and Viewer software applications as well as third party programs like Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, Apple Aperture, and others.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10th March 2017
RobEW RobEW is offline
Full member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 2,052
Thanks: 165
Thanked 74 Times in 68 Posts
Likes: 1,199
Liked 194 Times in 132 Posts
(Dumb question?) HDR in OV3

Please excuse me if this is a dumb question. I'm new to OV3. (In fact - now I've edited - there are two questions)

When I display a photo and click on {I} (properties) it shows lots of useful information about the photo and when and how it was taken etc. But I can't see anywhere which explicitly states whether HDR mode was on, and if so which HDR mode. I use HDR mode 2 a lot for architectural photos, to bring out detail in shadows without turning the sky into a white-out. (Maybe this isn't good practice and it would be better to do this in post ...)

As I have my camera set up at the moment, I store only RAW (so that if and when I get into post-processing I'll have the RAW files), and then I convert to JPG with occasional slight changes (crops etc) in OV3. So when I'm in OV3 I can tell which ones are HDR because they're the only shots which also download a JPG. But it would be nice to see HDR explicitly in the properties somewhere.

Despite what I thought I'd read in the manual, it seems to create a RAW (ORF) file as well as a JPEG. If I want to edit, what are the pros and cons of choosing the RAW or thee JPG? Is the RAW some kind of combined version of the several shots which were taken during HDR? It looks like it has less dynamic range than the JPG.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10th March 2017
Ross the fiddler's Avatar
Ross the fiddler Ross the fiddler is online now
Full member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Blue Mtns, NSW Australia
Posts: 14,262
Thanks: 2,093
Thanked 1,341 Times in 1,046 Posts
Likes: 5,560
Liked 2,198 Times in 1,167 Posts
Re: (Dumb question?) HDR in OV3

The raw file I think is only one of the frames while the JPEG is the combined HDR result & the only way you'll see the HDR result from the camera. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
__________________
Ross
I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ross-the-fiddler/
Cameras: OM-D E-M1 & Mk II, Olympus Stylus 1, OM-D E-M5.
Lenses: M.ZD7-14mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD12-40mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD40-150mm f2.8 PRO Lens, MC-14, MC-20, M.ZD45mm f1.8, M.ZD12-50, M.ZD60 Macro, M.ZD75-300 Mk II, MMF-3, ZD14-54 II, Sigma 150mm F2.8 APO Macro DG HSM.
Flashes: FL36R X2, FL50R, FL50.
Software: Capture One Pro 10 (& Olympus Viewer 3).
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ross the fiddler For This Useful Post:
RobEW (10th March 2017)
The Following User Liked This Post:
RobEW (10th March 2017)
  #3  
Old 10th March 2017
PeterBirder's Avatar
PeterBirder PeterBirder is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: BRAINTREE ESSEX
Posts: 5,950
Thanks: 1,760
Thanked 1,024 Times in 854 Posts
Likes: 1,922
Liked 798 Times in 467 Posts
Re: (Dumb question?) HDR in OV3

Quote:
Originally Posted by RobEW View Post
Please excuse me if this is a dumb question. I'm new to OV3. (In fact - now I've edited - there are two questions)

When I display a photo and click on {I} (properties) it shows lots of useful information about the photo and when and how it was taken etc. But I can't see anywhere which explicitly states whether HDR mode was on, and if so which HDR mode. I use HDR mode 2 a lot for architectural photos, to bring out detail in shadows without turning the sky into a white-out. (Maybe this isn't good practice and it would be better to do this in post ...)

As I have my camera set up at the moment, I store only RAW (so that if and when I get into post-processing I'll have the RAW files), and then I convert to JPG with occasional slight changes (crops etc) in OV3. So when I'm in OV3 I can tell which ones are HDR because they're the only shots which also download a JPG. But it would be nice to see HDR explicitly in the properties somewhere.

Despite what I thought I'd read in the manual, it seems to create a RAW (ORF) file as well as a JPEG. If I want to edit, what are the pros and cons of choosing the RAW or thee JPG? Is the RAW some kind of combined version of the several shots which were taken during HDR? It looks like it has less dynamic range than the JPG.
The HDR 1/2 modes only work "in camera" and I think are intended for people who want "Instant HDR" without wanting to think too much about what they are trying to achieve and produce two alternative "one size fits all" JPEG results. HDR for many is a bit of a "Marmite" acquired taste as some pretty extreme results can be achieved using much more complex software than the camera firmware. The HDR Bracketing functions in the camera are provided for those who want "real" HDR images.

You are correct that HDR is not the way to deal with shadow/highlight problems. OV3 has a shadow/highlight adjustment facility although it (like many OV3 functions is not very comprehensive). Try a free raw developer like FastStone which will give much better results.

Ross is quite correct that only one of the four HDR raw files is recorded in HDR 1/2 modes.
The camera manuals, E-M1 page 61 and E-M5 MKII page 53, contain some caution notes which include;

"When the image quality mode is set to [RAW], the image is recorded in RAW+JPEG.
The only image recorded in RAW is the image with suitable exposure"

It doesn't explain what "suitable exposure" means (but I presume it is the exposure the camera would produce in normal operation) and it doesn't say what the difference in exposure value is for the other three frames.

Regards.
__________________
Peter

she looked at me and said "It's official. I hate your camera. It's just so amazing and perfect I want one!"

E-M10 MK II, E-M5, E-PL1, E-PM2, mZ 12-50, mZ 14-42mm EZ, mZ 17mm f 1.8, mZ 25mm f1.8, mZ 45mm f1.8, mZ 75-300mm II.
OM1n, OM 50mm f1.8.
Oly Viewer3, Dxo Pro 11. FastStone.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PeterBirder For This Useful Post:
OM USer (11th March 2017), RobEW (11th March 2017)
The Following User Liked This Post:
Ross the fiddler (10th March 2017)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I must really be dumb Phil Olympus OM-D E-M1 9 30th May 2014 09:54 PM
Dumb RAW questions Phill D Tutorials, Informative & Classic threads 8 13th March 2014 09:15 PM
Dumb question from a beginner LMGruchy Foto Fair 8 9th November 2011 09:27 PM
Flash for the dumb Homer Simpson Flash 6 11th December 2010 10:42 AM
I know I'm a bit dumb......... Homer Simpson The lounge 2 1st December 2010 08:54 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:02 PM.


The Write Technology Ltd, 2007-2019, All rights reservedAd Management plugin by RedTyger