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Re: Johnson not standing!

I'm left wondering when the film of all this is coming out? We've had The Three Musketeers followed by The Three Amigo's followed by Three Kings. Is the next one up going to be called The Three Brexiteers?
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Re: Johnson not standing!

I confess to opening a good bottle on hearing B J is out of the frame - for the moment. Here's my theory: Gove set a sophisticated trap for Johnsonin in order to thwart his ambition, Mrs G's inadvertent slip in sending an email to a member of the public who just happened to inform the Press was part of the process.

I fail to believe that Gove who has spent a great deal of time with Johnson hadn't seen the shortcomings that are patently obvious to the rest of us. Just off to refill my glass, best news in a week.

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Re: Johnson not standing!

It's Basil Brush I feel sorry for. He had a well-paid job lined up, as Boris' body double and voice stand-in, so that Boris could play truant and not be missed. Boom boom!

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Just spotted this on another forum I frequent; You might need to read the odd sentence twice, but I think this Benjamin chap has summed much of the antics quite succinctly.

Author : Benjamin Blaine

Can I check that I've understood this correctly ?

The leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave.
His party has held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else can lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which looks like a lot of angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them.

Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined his chances because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did.
He resigned, however, before actually doing the thing the vote had been about.

The man who had always thought he'd lead next campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash -and he was, but it did.
He's not resigned but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader.

This means that the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead

It also means that she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. The opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all.

However, none of their opponents actually wants to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything on the table to oppose anyway.
And if no one ever does the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic but if anyone ever does it, it will be a catastrophe.

This is SO SO funny and good.......can I please copy it to show elsewhere please.
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This is SO SO funny and good.......can I please copy it to show elsewhere please.
Feel free, I did.
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I confess to opening a good bottle on hearing B J is out of the frame - for the moment. Here's my theory: Gove set a sophisticated trap for Johnsonin in order to thwart his ambition, Mrs G's inadvertent slip in sending an email to a member of the public who just happened to inform the Press was part of the process.

I fail to believe that Gove who has spent a great deal of time with Johnson hadn't seen the shortcomings that are patently obvious to the rest of us. Just off to refill my glass, best news in a week.

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Hmmm, I'm still surprised by how easily Boris rolled over. Maybe there is another explanation. Suppose Boris was apprehensive at fulfilling his role as PM in waiting, having realised that the position has become toxic because some sort of compromise involving free movement of EU migrants will almost certainly have to be made in order to secure a free trade deal. At the moment the chalice is poisoned but he felt obliged to accept it in the wake of the referendum victory. And then that muppet Gove gives him the opportunity to step back from the disaster that is bound to happen, with a rather convincing excuse. Now he can preserve his credibility for the job until some other fall guy has paid the price for implementing Brexit. If you like conspiracy theories, Gove might even have done this at Boris's request!
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Hmmm, I'm still surprised by how easily Boris rolled over. Maybe there is another explanation. Suppose Boris was apprehensive at fulfilling his role as PM in waiting, having realised that the position has become toxic because some sort of compromise involving free movement of EU migrants will almost certainly have to be made in order to secure a free trade deal. At the moment the chalice is poisoned but he felt obliged to accept it in the wake of the referendum victory. And then that muppet Gove gives him the opportunity to step back from the disaster that is bound to happen, with a rather convincing excuse. Now he can preserve his credibility for the job until some other fall guy has paid the price for implementing Brexit. If you like conspiracy theories, Gove might even have done this at Boris's request!
That John is what I was discussing today.
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Did I read that right? He was sacked from two jobs for lying on a series of mistresses?
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Where do the Liberal Democrats fit into all this (you do remember them, don't you)?

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The Lib Dems do seem to have been strangely silent on this matter, although I suspect their voices will have been drowned out by the crossfire over the past few days.

Nick Clegg gave a short interview on the BBC R4's Today programme yesterday morning, but didn't say a great deal other than the obvious.

On another subject entirely, I am looking forward to next week's Question Time, (BBC1 10.30 pm on Thursday 7th July) which comes a day after publication of the Chilcot report. Ian Hislop will be on the panel!

Indeed, am left wondering whether Tony Blair had the foresight to delay the Chilcot report until after the EU Referendum in the almost certain knowledge that it would be a good time to bury bad news. After all, he does have previous form in this.
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Did I read that right? He was sacked from two jobs for lying on a series of mistresses?
Yes, and Theresa May wasn't one of them.

Perhaps that was his mistake
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Did I read that right? He was sacked from two jobs for lying on a series of mistresses?
Worse - read Matthew Parris's on Jonson:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...r-times-attack

“Somebody has to call a halt to the gathering pretence that if only you’re sufficiently comical in politics you can laugh everything off,” he wrote.

“Incompetence is not funny. Policy vacuum is not funny. A careless disregard for the truth is not funny. Advising old mates planning to beat someone up is not funny. Abortions and gagging orders are not funny. Creeping ambition in a jester’s cap is not funny. Vacuity posing as merriment, cynicism posing as savviness, a wink and a smile covering for betrayal … these things are not funny.”

ISTRC that Andrew Mar said to him that he was a nasty piece of work.

Still - he's a good old boy, a toff - and you have to trust toffs don't you!

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Yes, and Theresa May wasn't one of them.

Perhaps that was his mistake
Quite possibly. Although I doubt even she would have stooped that low? However, when it became apparent he was going to stand, she made it known she was rather peeved about certain aspects in his life and his affairs?

True or false, it should never get in the way of a front page headline.
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Yes, and Theresa May wasn't one of them.

Perhaps that was his mistake
She was never going to take it lying down!

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The Lib Dems do seem to have been strangely silent on this matter, although I suspect their voices will have been drowned out by the crossfire over the past few days.

Nick Clegg gave a short interview on the BBC R4's Today programme yesterday morning, but didn't say a great deal other than the obvious.

On another subject entirely, I am looking forward to next week's Question Time, (BBC1 10.30 pm on Thursday 7th July) which comes a day after publication of the Chilcot report. Ian Hislop will be on the panel!

Indeed, am left wondering whether Tony Blair had the foresight to delay the Chilcot report until after the EU Referendum in the almost certain knowledge that it would be a good time to bury bad news. After all, he does have previous form in this.
I heard Tim Farron say on the politics show last Sunday if they were elected they would hold another referendum. Obviously the voice of the people is only considered correct and democratic if it aligns with his (that goes for most people, not just him).
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Re: Johnson not standing!

As a follow-on from Peak4's brilliant borrowed parody of the Brexit, I thought this was similarly suitable for the mess we now find ourselves in...

Six politicians on a sinking HMS United Kingdom...


Blair: "What do we do?"

Brown: "Man the lifeboats!"

Cameron: "What lifeboats?"

Corbyn: "Women first!"

Gove: "Screw the women!"

Johnson: "You think we have time?"


Now, WE REALLY KNOW WHY we are all in it together.
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