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Old 24th October 2009
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Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Some of you may have seen a similar image from me earlier this week trying to ID the bird type, well this is a similar image taken from the same series but now fully processed.

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What an amazing picture!
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Hi Neil,

I like the simplicity of this image and the colours. IMHO though, there is little of interest to the left of the image and this makes it very unbalanced. I suppose what highlights this is the direction the Cormorant is facing (out of the image) to the right.
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Neil,

I will look at it somemore over the coming days I'm sure, but right now, I'm sorry to say - nothing to add. I just like the shot. Lovely.

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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Pete,

If Neil crops the left away, do you not think you will lose the shape of the shine on the water. It fades across the phot from right to left. Cropping may adversely affect this??? Just my thought.

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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

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Pete,

If Neil crops the left away, do you not think you will lose the shape of the shine on the water. It fades across the phot from right to left. Cropping may adversely affect this??? Just my thought.

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100% agree with you. I would have moved position to the right to bring the reflections and the Cormorant into a more balanced position. It is unfortunate but it is my honest opinion. I always try for some sort of balance and it is a rule I apply that you must give space to the direction a subject is facing.
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Thanks for the comments so far, Peter as ever is spot on and has highligted my own concerns with the image...that said Graydon is also spot on with his observation re the crop, I thought long and hard and decided that the reflections in the water added significantly to the image although not 'strictly correct'.

Are there any other opinions?
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

I understand Peter.
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

That's a beautiful picture. I actually like the way the bird is way off to the right, it makes it look more lonely.
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

I like it, but echo many of the comments on the direction the bird is looking re the space and composition. I don think cropping will help given the highlights as already commented

Why not try turning his head around

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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

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I like it, but echo many of the comments on the direction the bird is looking re the space and composition. I don think cropping will help given the highlights as already commented

Why not try turning his head around

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Thanks for the thought Andy, actually yesterday I tried for a couple of hours to completely replace the bird with another but just couldn't get the hang of it. I seem to have hit the limit of my very limited pp skills
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Thanks for the thought Andy, actually yesterday I tried for a couple of hours to completely replace the bird with another but just couldn't get the hang of it. I seem to have hit the limit of my very limited pp skills
Just a thought, though I have not tried it myself, extract the Cormorant using edge trace, Mirror it and place it back on the post. Extraction should not be too much of a problem. If you can do this you will convert a very good image to an excellent one.
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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Hi Peter

I appreciate your thoughts, although you may as well be writing in ancient Egyptian for all I understand, when I've more time I may start a new thread with an SOS attached

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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

I've done it ( it took about 30 seconds - sorry )

Rather than the edge tracing technique described above (and only because the background was so monotone) I simply grabbed a rectaglular selection and mirrored it and slid it into place.

If you pm me an email I'll send you the file so it appears in your gallery not mine

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Re: Oi Bird...Over 'ere

Just spotted your email is on your website...

Image sent

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