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I've been playing about doing some conversions to mono.
Although I tend to go for a softer gentle and more pastel range of tones in colour, I prefer strong darker images in mono.
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Re: Opinions required No4

I too prefer stronger colours in my own mono photos

As regards your own photo, for me, I would crop out most of the sky because there is not much happening there. The forest in your bottom right corner is a bit distracting and could benefit from either being cropped or cloned out. Just right of centre bottom there is a black ridge which looks out of place, almost like there had been a small hair on your negative when you printed it.

As a final thought, have you been tempted to try crop the photo (half the height and width) to show only the bottom right corner, and then also crop off the forest in your bottom right corner?

Alternatively, should I look for the photo as being the next cover of 'Outdoor Photographer'
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Not on the cover of 'Outdoor photographer' no.
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Not on the cover of 'Outdoor photographer' no.
But somewhere inside?


I like this picture of the Storr, incidentally the last Scottish hill that I climbed, but I agree with Chris about cropping the sky. I'm also a little distracted by the dark patch in the bottom right corner. What I especially like is the dusting of snow on the cliffs, which really emphasises the structure of the rocks. This is made all the more prominent by presenting it in monochrome. One intriguing feature is that the dark clouds apper to emanate from the Old Man, like a smoking chimney.
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I actually think this is not a very good picture to do in monochrome. The sky is not lively or contrasty enough to be of much interest on it's own. the rocks are nice, but there is also not a particular point of interest, unless you focus on the far right, but that would mean a much different composition.
I suspect the original was attractive for it's atmosphere and that it was for a large part leaning on the colour contrast between the rocks and the sky. This contrast and the atmosphere was lost in translation to monochrome.
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I was struggling to know what and how I felt about this. It's a good conversion, but I think, for my tastes, Kees explains it perfectly.
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I agree with the others re the crop and that bottom right corner. I went with a 16:9 to get rid of a bit of the sky but I thought a lot of interest could be added to the sky, I played around with some things and brought out the sky a bit but it was very limited with no color information to work with.
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Re: Opinions required No4

Well I'm in the camp that would crop a bit at the bottom to get rid of the dark area bottom rhs. I'm happy to leave the sky uncropped - as a lot of sky is a feature of the view.

The other thing is to look at the levels - there is quite a lot of unused space after the rhs of the curve, so I'd be inclined to pull the white point down a bit - but leave the mid point unchanged from the original. This will slightly increase contrast in the rock face without darkening the sky.

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I would not crop as much off the bottom and with a little work there is more potential in the sky IMO. I rather like it much as it is.
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Re: Opinions required No4

I had a quick fiddle with the photo, adding an ND grad effect to the sky and a tonal contrast to everything. Then I cloned out the forest in the bottom right corner and softened the black ridge just right of centre bottom.

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I had a quick fiddle with the photo, adding an ND grad effect to the sky and a tonal contrast to everything. Then I cloned out the forest in the bottom right corner and softened the black ridge just right of centre bottom.

Still not sure if it works?



Please let me know and I will delete the photo from my gallery.
This edit generally works rather well, but the top part of the sky now overwhelms the mountain (sorry, "hill," it is Scotland) and I would still crop to a letter box shape.
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Where's captain Kirk hiding?

Sorry, just popped in my mind.
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I've been playing about doing some conversions to mono.
Although I tend to go for a softer gentle and more pastel range of tones in colour, I prefer strong darker images in mono.
What say you?
I too like the dark & strong in mono, perhaps too much. This image reminded me of what I call "snow light", the odd almost otherworldly glow of light under an otherwise very dark sky which sometimes happens under snowy conditions.

So I did a minor crop and a few incremental tweaks to tonality/contrast to emphasize "snow light" as best I could. Also the iciness, as it looked as if there was a good crust on the snow and iceflow on the rocks.

My usual caveat; if I've offended by this, tell me and I will refrain in the future.

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I too like the dark & strong in mono, perhaps too much. This image reminded me of what I call "snow light", the odd almost otherworldly glow of light under an otherwise very dark sky which sometimes happens under snowy conditions.

So I did a minor crop and a few incremental tweaks to tonality/contrast to emphasize "snow light" as best I could. Also the iciness, as it looked as if there was a good crust on the snow and iceflow on the rocks.

My usual caveat; if I've offended by this, tell me and I will refrain in the future.

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I really like this edit, John. You seem to have enhanced the definition between the snow and rocks on the cliff face without the harshness of unduly increasing the overall contrast. It has introduced processing artifacts, particularly along the main outline against the sky, but this may well be a consequence of working on a low reolution file or just need a little less sharpening applied.
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I don't mind what you say or do to the image. That's why it has been posted here.
Many thanks to all of you for what you have said and/or done.
here is the final edit and the one you may stumble across next spring. Maybe.
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