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View Poll Results: How do you shoot... JPG, RAW or Both...?
JPG only 2 2.94%
RAW only 42 61.76%
Both JPG and RAW 24 35.29%
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Old 11th October 2008
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

Raw only. Good data in, good data out. PSE6 / LR2 and NI or NJ for noise reduction. The benefits are highlight recovery and WB adjustments.
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

Just started to do Raw - ie in the last 6 weeks and use Aperture for processing with occasional PS work

Why - a combination of moral black mail from the various forums, <g>

the realisation of the benefits of Aperture for handling all my pics and as Raw handling came for free, and as it does give extra control, as described by others on this thread (which I am still learning about).

However Aperture does need a fairly poky machine I shall be upgrading my 5 year old G5 in the short term - and as for how a G4 laptop handles the work with all the various image files being generated it makes the G5 seem swift.
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

I shot both JPG and RAW. I found that Olympus JPG is exceptionally good but I also want the RAW files just in case I mess up or wanting to do additional alteration. When I download the pitures to the computer and review the jpg files at first. If I see some pictures that I am not happy with, I open the RAW files with Studio and play with it. If the jpg's look good, then I save the RAW's onto a DVD disks just in case I need them in the future.

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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

RAW only, PP in Lightroom. Why? My feeling is that RAW, even with just Lightroom's defaults, is closer to what my mind sees than Jpegs, and it's certainly no slower a process. And I ENJOY it!
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

RAW, process in Aperture. Will save TIFFs finished versions in another folder.
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

This is a very common question

I shoot both best quality mode JPEG and RAW simultaneously. The E-3 can still shoot quickly in this mode and storage is now cheaper than ever.

I work mainly from RAW files, but JPEGs are universally supported by viewers and the Web and it's handy to be able to edit a camera JPEG file in unusual circumstances and when speed is of the essence, especially for Web use.

RAW, though, is much more flexible when it comes to image adjustment, especially with white balance, and you will ultimately get better results with RAW.

Olympus RAW files are very good compared to most, but I would definitely recommend RAW over JPEG if you have to choose.

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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

I shoot in Raw and develop in Olympus Master/Studio. I did try shooting in JPeg when I owned an E-510 and realised subsequently that the opportunity to improve the JPegs was quite limited compared to developing in Raw. Also, I had used Raw only when I had my E-1. The main reason why I tried shooting in JPeg was because I was unable to convert E-510 ORF in Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 and wasn't prepared at that time to upgrade to either 5 or 6. Subsequently, I purchased Olympus Studio 2 and have never looked back. When photos are converted to JPeg subsequently I sometimes use Adobe Photshop Elements 4.0 for those procedures which are not available in Olympus Studio. Also, as someone else has commented - when shooting in Raw with the E-3 very little adjustment is needed most of the time anyway - but you do have the confidence that any slight adjustment which may be needed is easily made.

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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

An interesting survey with the majority of you using RAW. I'm interested to know what advantage you all gain from using this please. Please don't shout.

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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

Pleasure! I enjoy it.
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

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An interesting survey with the majority of you using RAW. I'm interested to know what advantage you all gain from using this please. Please don't shout.

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1. Long term storage. - jpg do deteriorate each time you open/close them.
2. Flexibility - I like to see what I am adjusting and do not trust blind changes e.g. in-camera.

Those are the two main reasons.

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Barrie

1. Long term storage. - jpg do deteriorate each time you open/close them.
2. Flexibility - I like to see what I am adjusting and do not trust blind changes e.g. in-camera.

Those are the two main reasons.

Peter
Please allow me the opportunity to clarify this - JPEGs don't deteriorate by opening and closing them, but when opening and re-saving them.

You can view JPEGs as many times as you like, but if you open a JPEG in an image editor and then re-save, even when doing nothing to the image, re-compression of the file will degrade the image in a cumulative manner.

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Please allow me the opportunity to clarify this - JPEGs don't deteriorate by opening and closing them, but when opening and re-saving them.

You can view JPEGs as many times as you like, but if you open a JPEG in an image editor and then re-save, even when doing nothing to the image, re-compression of the file will degrade the image in a cumulative manner.

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Thanks for clarifying my comments Ian, On reflection it was a sloppy way of putting it.

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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

Thanks for responding.

Now that I have returned to this thread and taken more time to read it I find the question answered throughout the thread.

Thanks again for an item which has me now thinking of shooting RAW. My problem now is choosing a program to get me off the ground.

*Is a program like Raw Therapee as good as say Lightroom or Elements?
I know I can Google but here on e-group are the real users.

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[Edit - *I forgot to mention Olympus Studio in my question re programs]
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

If you have Photoshop then Adobe Camera Raw is a free download. If you use The Gimp then you'll know there are DCRAW plugins

If you don't have Photoshop or similar then IMO you should get that. If price is a consideration and you are a newcomer to Photoshop then Photoshop Elements is much cheaper than the full version, quite good enough to begin with and from version 5 onwards takes Adobe Camera Raw as a free plugin.

I use ACR and Pshop but am thinking about adding Lightroom - anyone comment on what extra that gives you over and above ACR? (I am not interested in the organisational / workflow aspects of Lightroom - just the image manipulation possibilities)
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Re: How do you shoot, jpg, RAW or both?

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*Is a program like Raw Therapee as good as say Lightroom or Elements?
Yes. Looking at image quality you can get equal results. Lightroom has more bells and whistles and DAM but you pay for that. (way too much IMHO)

RawTherapee is a free program, the next version is coming soon. It is an excellent program to use in combination with PSP or PSE.

I do test most raw developer programs regularly (for personal use) and find that you can get excellent and comparable results from most of them.

As the area where I live and shoot my photo's has a lot of grassland the correct development of the different shades of grass-green is very important to me. None of the programs do a perfect job on this but some come very close, like RawTherapee and PSP X2 ultimate.

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