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Full Frame Mirrorless

The new Sony α7 & α7R looks interesting...

Any speculation on an Olympus Full Frame sometime in the future.
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

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Any speculation on an Olympus Full Frame sometime in the future.
I doubt they would achieve anything by going down this, speculated-to-death, route.
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

It would be back to the drawing board with the glass.........unless we could use the excellent Zuikos from OM days
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

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It would be back to the drawing board with the glass.........unless we could use the excellent Zuikos from OM days
You'd have to put a focus motor in them. Most folk don't know how to manually focus these days.
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

It was a darn sight easier to manually focus using a fresnel screen or split image than it is with these modern camera....... especially E500 & 510's with 3 focus points....at least with the EM-5 I can just put the little green square on where I want to focus and then hope for the best and thankfully its usually its pretty good!
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

The E-M1 is even easier. I find I can manually focus using the viewfinder without even resorting to magnified view or focus peaking.
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

I am focusing manually more and more for landscape and macro for control of Dof.

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The E-M1 is even easier. I find I can manually focus using the viewfinder without even resorting to magnified view or focus peaking.
Now that I like the sound of.
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

It takes m43 lenses in 'crop' mode.


http://www.43rumors.com/sony-a7-anno...or-the-masses/
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

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It takes m43 lenses in 'crop' mode.


http://www.43rumors.com/sony-a7-anno...or-the-masses/
NEX lenses in crop mode (APS-C).

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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

I'm reproducing what I posted on DPNow in response to the same subject from Graham there:

HI Graham, went to see them today and had a play. I also have a small number of sample images. Only just got back but will be working on hands-on preview articles this evening!

Personally, I think image quality looks promising and the cameras have a solid feel to them with what appears to be good controls and layout - it's too early to judge on how good. The cameras are remarkably small and light for full frame. They are weather and dust sealed, too. Pricing is quite attractive as well. The OLED viewfinder offers a nice big view. The spec. of some of the new and proposed lenses is interesting too. You can use NEX lenses if you want as the mount is the same. The camera can crop automatically to about 16MP I understand (not yet sure if that is the A7 or the A7R). WiFi onboard is really to be expected so no surprise there. There is a good quality tilting screen but this up/down only.

At this stage it is relatively easy to notice deficiencies compared to rivals and these, are, so far:

1. Relatively noisy and unrefined shutter
2. Only 4 or 5 frames per second sequential shooting (A7R and A7, respectively)
3. No in-body image stabilisation so unless you have compatible stabilised lenses there is no IS.
4. No phase detect AF on the premium A7R model, only on the lower-spec. A7.
5. If you want to use older lenses which don't have an integrated AF motor, you need to use the more expensive SLT/mirror Alpha mount adapter, even on the A7 which has phase-detect AF on the sensor.
6. There is no touch-screen facility.
7. No onboard GPS.
8. OLED viewfinder can be stuttery.

Personally, I really don't like the styling - or at least just the 'pentaprism' area - it's too stark and angular. The grip is very nice though and very comfortable to hold.

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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

None of the E or FE (full frame) lenses for mirrorless (of which there are very few of the latter) have features like on-lens function buttons, the snap/manual focus feature on some Olympus lenses and they FE lenses are huge in comparison to Micro Four Thirds. The 35mm f/2.8 I'd estimate is three times the volume of the m.Zuiko 17mm f/1.8 (similar field of view), for example.

There is a lot to like about the new Sonys but as an overall package I'm not sure it would tempt me from an E-M1.

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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

While I place most emphasis on image quality, there are a lot of other factors that I still consider Olympus to have the advantage over others. Many of these Ian has mentioned, but more and more, size matters...
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

Here's the new Sony Alpha 7 next an E-M1 (not mine I hasten to add!):



The Alpha 7's lens in this case is a 55mm f/1.8 FE (full frame) mount lens. Imagine how that would look next to a 25mm f/1.4 Panasonic Leica...

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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

Are we seeing more evidence of the Olympus-Sony alliance (that Sony camera looks like the E-M5 with the grip, and then hit repeatedly with the ugly stick!). I hear the next Sony DSLRs will have Oly's IBIS-5, i'm certain Olympus wouldn't want these to have it so close to the release of the E-M1. So if these did have IBIS and a competitive frame rate they would be quite the versatile tool. But not yet, and i can't see them selling many of these but in a year or two and with more native lenses ... having said that, the last thing i want is a Sony camera.


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NEX lenses in crop mode (APS-C).

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The one thing that is cool on the A7-A7r is that you can fit MFT lenses in crop mode by using that Fotodiox MFT to NEX adapter (Click here)!
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Re: Full Frame Mirrorless

The trouble is, if Olympus made a full frame that took OM lenses you be competing with Canon FF shooters who are keeping the used prices of OM primes inflated.
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