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Question E-3 Image Quality Settings?

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the E-3's four LSF and the three RAW+LSF settings is?

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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the E-3's four LSF and the three RAW+LSF settings is?
this would be difficult as there aren't 4 LSF settings.........

there are 4 L settings - L references the pixel count and is full resolution, this can then be recorded at 4 different JPEG compressions SF(super fine) being the least 1/2.7, the Fine, Normal and Basic (1/12)

Middle (M) pixel counts have 3 to choose from, then the same options re compression

Small (S) pixel counts again cover another 3 choices combined with the 4 compressions.

I don't think RAW + LSF is even an option - LF, LN, MN and SN are the available JPEG files when shooting RAW+
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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?


All 4 x LSF buttons are identical and the compression levels you describe are nowhere indicated.

There are 3 x LSF+RAW settings all apparently identical.

The mystery deepens ...
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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

'tis because the the E-3 is a fine camera with well hidden depths.

At some time in the past you have set Spanner2, submenu G,[.SET so that the compression ratio is Super Fine, in the same menu you have set all 3 picture modes to Large (normally the are L (large), M (medium), S (small).

The screen you are displaying would normally show RAW, LSF, MSF, SSF, RAW +LSF, RAW +MSF etc. Giving you the option of generating three different sizes of in-camera jpg's

(Note SF may be F (fine) or N (normal) for a more compressed jpg)

So there is no difference because you have told the camera to set them all the same.

(of course if you only shoot raw then all other settings are irrelevant anyway, they only apply to in-camera jpg conversion)

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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

Mark, The E-3 allows you to set up to four combinations of JPEG size and compression. I think what you have done is to set all the JPEG image sizes to Large, and all the Compression rates to Super-Fine, hence they all show up the same on the Super Control Panel.

In my paper manual, it's explained on Page 65/66 under "Selecting the Record Mode".(Section 5)

Head for
Spanner 1 - G
right arrow
down 4 to SET
Right arrow
You can then set each of the 4 size/compression memory slots.
Personally I use
1 - LSF 3248 x 2736 pixels 1/2.7 compression rate file size nominally 6303KB
2 - LN 3248 x 2736 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 2347KB
3 - MN 2560 x 1920 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 1063KB
4 - SN 1280 x 960 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 306KB

RAW on its own file size nominally 9648KB

These memory sizes were taken from 5 consecutive similar exposures each on a different setting on an E-3, which uses a slightly compressed RAW file size. Expect different results from a different body or from different scene content.

The Pixel Count for Middle and Small is also pre-selectable from the menu option below where you set the 4 size/compression memory slots

You should then be able to select RAW on it's own
RAW plus each of the 4 size/compression ratios you have pre-set
or each of the 4 on their own.

Depending on how you set it up, RAW + LSF is an option


Nick, looks like we overlapped, but at least we agree
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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

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Nick, looks like we overlapped, but at least we agree
Overlapped Sir - I beat you to it by a clear minute, a clear winner

Actually it's good to get two replies agreeing, especially on the more obscure settings.

And anyway it wasn't a race

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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

Wow, some in depth knowledge of the E3 menu's there Nick. Nice one indeed, very well explained.
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All 4 x LSF buttons are identical and the compression levels you describe are nowhere indicated.

There are 3 x LSF+RAW settings all apparently identical.

The mystery deepens ...
Mark - my apologies for the overly glib response earlier; I was being dragged out the door on my way to a family lunch appointment.

I wondered if you had somehow set up that level menu buttons to give you the choices (or rather lack of choice!), but didn't want to go into that possibility in the time I had! Now you have posted that image it makes sense, and others have detailed how to access the lower level menu to reset them.

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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

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Overlapped Sir - I beat you to it by a clear minute, a clear winner

Actually it's good to get two replies agreeing, especially on the more obscure settings.

And anyway it wasn't a race

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Wow, some in depth knowledge of the E3 menu's there Nick. Nice one indeed, very well explained.
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Mark - my apologies for the overly glib response earlier; I was being dragged out the door on my way to a family lunch appointment.

I wondered if you had somehow set up that level menu buttons to give you the choices (or rather lack of choice!), but didn't want to go into that possibility in the time I had! Now you have posted that image it makes sense, and others have detailed how to access the lower level menu to reset them.

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'tis because the the E-3 is a fine camera with well hidden depths.

At some time in the past you have set Spanner2, submenu G,[.SET so that the compression ratio is Super Fine, in the same menu you have set all 3 picture modes to Large (normally the are L (large), M (medium), S (small).

The screen you are displaying would normally show RAW, LSF, MSF, SSF, RAW +LSF, RAW +MSF etc. Giving you the option of generating three different sizes of in-camera jpg's

(Note SF may be F (fine) or N (normal) for a more compressed jpg)

So there is no difference because you have told the camera to set them all the same.

(of course if you only shoot raw then all other settings are irrelevant anyway, they only apply to in-camera jpg conversion)

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Mark, The E-3 allows you to set up to four combinations of JPEG size and compression. I think what you have done is to set all the JPEG image sizes to Large, and all the Compression rates to Super-Fine, hence they all show up the same on the Super Control Panel.

In my paper manual, it's explained on Page 65/66 under "Selecting the Record Mode".(Section 5)

Head for
Spanner 1 - G
right arrow
down 4 to SET
Right arrow
You can then set each of the 4 size/compression memory slots.
Personally I use
1 - LSF 3248 x 2736 pixels 1/2.7 compression rate file size nominally 6303KB
2 - LN 3248 x 2736 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 2347KB
3 - MN 2560 x 1920 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 1063KB
4 - SN 1280 x 960 pixels 1/8 compression rate file size nominally 306KB

RAW on its own file size nominally 9648KB

These memory sizes were taken from 5 consecutive similar exposures each on a different setting on an E-3, which uses a slightly compressed RAW file size. Expect different results from a different body or from different scene content.

The Pixel Count for Middle and Small is also pre-selectable from the menu option below where you set the 4 size/compression memory slots

You should then be able to select RAW on it's own
RAW plus each of the 4 size/compression ratios you have pre-set
or each of the 4 on their own.

Depending on how you set it up, RAW + LSF is an option


Nick, looks like we overlapped, but at least we agree
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Overlapped Sir - I beat you to it by a clear minute, a clear winner

Actually it's good to get two replies agreeing, especially on the more obscure settings.

And anyway it wasn't a race

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Thanks to all for your valuable time and in depth replies - it has cleared up a 2 year mystery.

But I have to say that the four .jpg compression value tabs were all set to LSF by default when I bought the E-3 new in a factory sealed box.

Now that I fully understand how to set the values I shall simply leave all as they are on Large Super Fine as I can think of no situation when I would choose otherwise. I run an 8GB card with an 8GB backup so capacity will never be an issue. As Olympus LSF jpegs are no less than superb I see no benefit in shooting RAW.

jpg files can be opened and processed in RAW using Photoshop CS4 Bridge.
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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

SN is the only other one of the 4 I use regularly. I occasionally take a photo or two at work to email someone to illustrate a point.
I don't have any re-sizing software on the works laptop as we are not allowed to load out own programs.
I'll occasionally use the middle two if I need to send more detail, but don't want to clog up my colleagues in-boxes.
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Re: E-3 Image Quality Settings?

I can understand your need for a more compressed file for emailing.

Being a retired old fogey with a laptop and time to burn, resizing isn't a problem.

If I were to create an SN button then I would most certainly end up forgetting to change it back when it really mattered.
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If I were to create an SN button then I would most certainly end up forgetting to change it back when it really mattered.
Been there, done that one.

I now make a habit of resetting to MyMode 1 whenever I get the camera out on a new days togging.
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Been there, done that one.

I now make a habit of resetting to MyMode 1 whenever I get the camera out on a new days togging.
A very wise move...
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Being a retired old fogey with a laptop and time to burn, resizing isn't a problem.
Mark, reading the above and considering the quality of your photography, you really should go for RAW! There's so much that can be done in RAW, and you take such great photos.
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Mark, reading the above and considering the quality of your photography, you really should go for RAW! There's so much that can be done in RAW, and you take such great photos.
Cathrine, I have shot and processed Olympus RAW+LSF files in CS4 only to find that results from processing the JPEG file after first converting it to PSD or TIFF are at least as good and often better than starting from RAW.

I do accept that different users have different skill levels and some may be more adept at one method of processing over another.

That said, no one yet has convinced me that superior results can be obtained from RAW over JPEG and this view is also shared by a significant number of professionals.

For instance, after sending an original LSF file to the image editor of a Melbourne glossy magazine he requested I send him the RAW file, which I did. He later conceded that he could not improve upon the LSF file which he used as the cover shot for his publication.

However, I would be very grateful Cathrine if you would explain briefly what some of the many things that you say can be done by processing RAW that cannot be done from a high quality JPEG?
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