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Standard zoom and mid range Lenses with focal lengths larger than 12mm, but no longer than 60mm, includes standard zooms and portrait primes plus some macro lenses.

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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Dave - if you want a high quality std f2.8 zoom that's smaller than 12-40, then get the Panasonic 12-35. Simple.
That's exactly what I've done.

Some months ago I did a rough and quick comparison against a friend's 12-40 (the usual concrete block wall images) on an E-M1 and, whereas the 12-40 is indeed very slightly sharper at the peripheries of the frame at around 12mm and at around f2.8,we could only see this at 100% on screen. It became swings and roundabouts from around f4 and 20mm, with image contrast and colour balance varying a little as well, and was anyway quite invisible at the sort of magnifications one uses on screen and for DPIs.

I could see no consistent difference at all in how rectilinear they are (although this was using Capture One, which has a specific correction set for both lenses so your mileage might differ if you use a different raw processor). The 12-35 is said to be a bit more prone to flare, but that has never caused me a significant problem.

This is pretty much what the reviews say, but it was quite fun to try out on a rainy afternoon. For me the added weight and size don't make sense for the slight improvement in IQ, plus I also carry the 35-100 f2.8 for my travel kit and this usefully shares the same filter size and 'feel'.

Those Panasonic f2.8s are hardly cheap, though, and CameraLabs have recently been very complimentary about the latest compact LUMIX 14-42 in their G7 review...
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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I have long thought there is a gap in the Olympus range that needs filling between the slow, mediocre 12-50mm and the fast, fantastic 12-40mm. It could be another 12-40mm or 14-50mm or even 14-45mm, but it does need to be an f2.8/4 to achieve that all important optimum compromise in terms of speed, quality, size and price.
Yes, the existing 12-50mm/F3.5-6.3, excellent though it is, would be much more desirable at F3.0-4.0. I'd also like a consumer version of the new 7-14mm at F3.0-3.5.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

It seems that 12-40's aren't selling. This one has been up for a while, it was part of a lager kit for sale I think.

https://www.talkphotography.co.uk/th...40-pro.594955/

Is it the price, DigitalRev are asking 599, brand spanking.

I think I'll hang onto mine, I'd loose quite a bit as I paid over 800 I think from WEX.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Or 529 from hdew.

I've seen the last 2 go for 400 and 425
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Interesting.

Here's the price profile for UK non-grey suppliers for the 12-35 from camerapricebuster http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/P...G-X-Vario-Lens

Whereas this is the 12-40 http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/O...-f2.8-Pro-Lens

As you say, there does seem to have been more of a consistent fall in the Oly, although just lately the Panny price has been volatile.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

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Given your current lens set either side of the 12-40, would not the considerably smaller Panasonic 12-35 f2.8 be a 'viable alternative' for you

Kind regards, Simon
I can't see it's really worth all the bother, it's not 'that' different, and I'm sure I'd loose money.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I've recently acquired a secondhand 12-40 (best way of buying in my opinion, minimises losses if you decide to let it go). I can't see any issue weight-wise having carried it all day on a few occasions. Only thing against it, I find it too big for street photography, it's not discrete enough. But, what do they say about mileage in the states...
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Just got one....I got a DEAL, so affordability wasn't an issue, 300. Still I don't see a bunch of difference between it and the 14-45mm Panny, that is a nice lens. Of course the first few images through LR, and I forgot to use my develop preset, (sharp 35, rad 1, Detail 5), I could not tell a difference. So why did I get one? Well it was 300, new, after 2 lenses got part-ex'd.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I got one a few weeks ago - I sold 3 lenses so I'm actually better off now than I was.

It's a great lens, saves a lot of faffing around with constantly swapping my primes.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I just sold my 12-50 because, although a useful performer with a nice macro mode its strange zooming was the oddest thing to use. I also sold a 25mm F1.8 that I thought I was going to use but the 12-40 makes all others obsolete IMHO. It is big and heavy but it feels great in the hand.

Due to the wideangle nature of my iphone I don't know if this gives a comparison of the E-M5II+ 12-40 F2.8 and the Sony A7R+ Zeiss 24-70 F4:

olysony by Malc May, on Flickr

Though the E-M5 and 12-40 plus 40-150R make a very useful and fairly compact travel combination:

oly2lenskit by Malc May, on Flickr

If I could be bothered by such a thing I too would wonder why 2 similarly targeted system cameras, one with a sensor 1/4 the size of the other, appear to be similar in size and weight but both have different strengths and weaknesses. I enjoy using OM lenses on the Sony whilst thinking how ironic it is that another manufacturer has designed a system camera so perfect for Olympus OM lenses so long after their system has faded from regular use.

BTW subjectively the Sony combination feels lighter in the hand to me but I'm wrong. Whilst the Sony (camera and lens) feel beautifully built the Olympus and 12-40 feel like the finest crafted camera and lens I have ever used.....(forgot to take the B+W filters off but at least all pictured lenses in this comparison have them fitted. Each camera has an SD card and battery installed plus clear plastic LCD cover and the Oly has a half strap thingy which probably doesn't weigh anything).

sonyonscale by Malc May, on Flickr

olyonscale by Malc May, on Flickr

And while discussing about the point of m 4/3rds being small and light it still is really if you consider you're using a 24-80 equivalent zoom of the highest quality.

Just my 2c worth, Mal.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

Maybe just me but I do not worry about other makes I just think of the E5 and 12 - 60mm I used before going OMD ME1 and 12 - 40mm. The range is different I admit but the weight difference is what made me change as I wanted to stay with Olympus?
I have almost reached the stage of putting all my 4/3 gear up for sale and getting the 40-150mm 2.8f. I will loose some range but the 2.8f 7 -14mm, 12 - 40mm and 40 -150mm should do for me. The sigma 50 -500mm still works well but I notice the weight; hand held shots are getting poorer as I now shake a lot.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I'm definitely considering swapping my 12-40mm for another prime or two. On four out of five shooting trips with my new E-M1 I have taken the 14mm Lumix and 45mm m-Zuiko in a small bag and left the 12-40 at home. I like the singular field of view and limitations of primes and while the zoom is practical I'm not sure it's size is a good compromise for me versus the primes I have. A 75mm or 60mm macro may well take its place (or both with a bit of extra cash put in on a good used purchase or swap)
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I oscillate regularly between primes and zooms. I've recently been filling my Billingham Hadley Small with an E -M1 plus three Panasonic zooms - 7-14, 12–35 and 35-100 and an Oly 25/1.8. It's a great travel kit and whilst the f2.8 zooms aren't as compact and fast as the primes, the IQ is just as good and the convenience of zooms for my kind of shooting (mostly landscape/cityscape) is a big plus. Having said that, I've still got a bunch of Oly primes which are just lovely to use.
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

LOL; if there wasn't gear chit chat forums would not exist
Anything under F5.6 is too slow these days a 'standard' zoom IMO

So you want a 12-40. Fly to aust and get one for $800-$900 (under 400 quit) http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/prod10746.htm . Or arrange for it to be sent from aust to you . It will be a "used lens" then if that's any tax difference

or go the whole hog and get a em1/12-40 for 700 quit
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Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.

I had the 14-45 EZ pancake lens on my Panny G5
Loved it!!

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