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A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

Well it's mostly a picture of a field really

This has been seriously messed around with and is mostly posted to get an opinion of how well I've done to fool you

There were 6 horses to start with and no sunny patches in the field.

Have I acheived anything vaguely realistic looking ?



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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

Well, at this scale it looks fine. The lighting in the field is good - I like the way it sort of vignettes, ie, brighter in the centre. I'm unsure at this cale, but it looks like the remnants of reins coming out of the horses mouth, but it might be just my vision!
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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

It works well for me and I like it Andy, and if it stands up to scutiny at printing size then well done.
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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

Interesting!
Re scale, the only thing that would possibly not tally with the size of the horse is the tuft of grass on the right foreground - when the eye scans from that tuft across and only slightly backwards to the horse the scale of the horse appears slightly small. Removing the tuft of grass may remove anything to compare scale with and therefore help the overall composition? I think better that than to make the horse any or much bigger.
Re the horse, again because the main image has no sunlit areas there is nothing to compare shadow positions with, so that again suits your image. If I had one point about the lighting of the horse and the shadow, the position of the shadow implies the sun is almost directly overhead (i.e. as in summer), but then if it's a winter photo it might actually be more angled to the side.
Otherwise the general lighting and overal effect works, and it is probably only because you say that it is 'seriously messed around with' that I would even try to spot what's been done to it.
So, as you say that there were six horses in the field and no sunlight, have you used a horse from a different photoshoot or have you been very clever and hardworking getting the horse sunlit?

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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

Thanks for the comments - I was just trying to master a new tool or 2

Chris / Catkins - That horse was where it was. the others were removed so it's not from another shoot. I added it's shadow as a burned in patch - easier to do one small one than a low angled one that would have had body shape and legs to contend with and I wasn't testing myself that hard - maybe next time

The patches of sunshine were done using a compensating layer in Photoshop and then dodging and burning which is how the "tuft" got there It's a bit of missed correction

StephenL - The remnant of reins are actually part of that horses bridle, but thanks for spotting I've now removed them from my fullsized JPG copy. The Vignetting was deliberate and done with the dodging/burning - it was meant to be a patch of sun in that grey sky which is why I didn't just throw an adjustment layer right across the picture

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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

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Thanks for the comments - I was just trying to master a new tool or 2

Chris / Catkins - That horse was where it was. the others were removed so it's not from another shoot. I added it's shadow as a burned in patch - easier to do one small one than a low angled one that would have had body shape and legs to contend with and I wasn't testing myself that hard - maybe next time
The patches of sunshine were done using a compensating layer in Photoshop and then dodging and burning which is how the "tuft" got there It's a bit of missed correction
Good one - Even knowing that the horse is original, I still find it hard to not look at the tuft of grass and the horse and feel that the scale isn't right - it almost has a fairy like feel to it.
Just one query back - I was not sure from your response, is the 'tuft' cloned in or are you just saying that it's been highlighted due to the dodging & burning?

My points about shadows, etc are really being pedantic in answer to your original query of us - in the real world, as far as I'm concerned, you've done a good job with shadows and it sounds like a fair bit of works gone into it.

However, in certain situations it's always interesting what can highlight a doctored image, especially in this digital age - I remember being fascinated by a book by Harold Evans then editor of the Sunday Times called (if I remember correctly) "Pictures on a page: Photojournalism and picture editing" - this was all about the recreation and manipulation of images during for example the Cold War and Vietnam, and about the difficulties and working out what was the true image. And at least in those days you at least in theory had an original negative or transparency.

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Re: A Horse, A Horse, my picture of a Horse

Hi Chris

Offending tuff removed.. It was just shadows really - its where one of the original horses was and I missed dodging it out.



I agree - people used to say "A picture never lies". My response was - hmmm...

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