Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

[Harold Gough]

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

T Even the most optimistic Brexiteers now seem to accept that there will be at least short term hardship.

You mean, people may have to go to food banks and social services may be cut back? We don't want that, so let's stay in.

Harold

[TimP]

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

Right or wrong, Brexit must happen if we’re to uphold democracy in this country. I personally feel Brexit is crazy but it was arrived at democratically, and before everyone jumps in saying the information given was wrong (the ‘losing’ side always says that), it was the only info we had at the time and only now are we suffering a deluge of dire warnings about what might happen. No-one knowswhat will happen, everything is pure speculation. It might go horribly wrong, it might improve things. Just cos a lot of people don’t like the result it’s not a reason to try for a result they do like.

[Jim Ford]

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I agree. Post Brexit is going to be like a huge dose of castor oil for the country, to purge the idea that it was a good idea out of the electorate for 100 years.

Jim

[Otto]

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Democracy means people are allowed to change their minds.

[Harold Gough]

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Democracy means people are allowed to change their minds.

When, the next day, month, year? How often? If you think we has uncertainty now...

Harold

[Graham_of_Rainham]

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When, the next day, month, year? How often? If you think we has uncertainty now...

Harold

[Rebecca]

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Right or wrong, Brexit must happen if we’re to uphold democracy in this country. I personally feel Brexit is crazy but it was arrived at democratically, and before everyone jumps in saying the information given was wrong (the ‘losing’ side always says that), it was the only info we had at the time and only now are we suffering a deluge of dire warnings about what might happen. No-one knowswhat will happen, everything is pure speculation. It might go horribly wrong, it might improve things. Just cos a lot of people don’t like the result it’s not a reason to try for a result they do like.

I try not to get involved in political debates but I have to say the above post by Timp is the most sensible and intelligent comment I've seen so far on here.

Democracy means people are allowed to change their minds.

Ohh dear Otto, you can't possibly be serious Democracy means people abide by the view of the majority after holding a democratic vote. It has nothing to do with changing of minds or we would be holding a new referendum every month.

I agree. Post Brexit is going to be like a huge dose of castor oil for the country, to purge the idea that it was a good idea out of the electorate for 100 years.

Jim

Poor Jim, I think his needle's stuck yet again, same old comment. Repetition is so boring Jim.

I was initially surprised by the number of posts on this topic but it's becoming clear why now, same old comments repeated over and over with just a slightly different dressing.

I would have thought with such a high number of older, retired, Male Armchair Politicians on here the comments would have been far more original



Rebecca

[Naughty Nigel]

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I try not to get involved in political debates but I have to say the above post by Timp is the most sensible and intelligent comment I've seen so far on here.



Ohh dear Otto, you can't possibly be serious Democracy means people abide by the view of the majority after holding a democratic vote. It has nothing to do with changing of minds or we would be holding a new referendum every month.



Poor Jim, I think his needle's stuck yet again, same old comment. Repetition is so boring Jim.

I was initially surprised by the number of posts on this topic but it's becoming clear why now, same old comments repeated over and over with just a slightly different dressing.

I would have thought with such a high number of older, retired, Male Armchair Politicians on here the comments would have been far more original



Rebecca

Well said Rebecca. It isn't just the repetition which is boring, but the predictability of the comments from certain members.

Indeed, I suspect some here would enquire of a Paramedics politics before allowing them to use the Defibrillator!

[Harold Gough]

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I think there are going to be a lot of very angry people next year as people that voted for Brexit lose their jobs and the value of any money they've saved.

In 2001, when there was no more than a low level background of discussion on possibly leaving the EU, nearly a decade before the financial crash and a decade and a half before the referendum, I lost my job, as did about 3,000 colleagues.

At that time we were about as embedded in the EU as we have ever been.

The value of money has dropped by about 95% since the 1960s, during which time we joined the EU.

Apportion blame where you like but these things happen independently of EU membership. Major employers dump large numbers of staff from time to time. They then recruit again after the reduction in salaries NI, etc,. has improved the bottom line.

In a (10 year) earlier exercise, some colleagues were in the "Exit Lounge", having lost their jobs and engaged in looking for new ones, only to share the room (I don't get why) with their incoming replacements and were not allowed to apply for their old jobs.

It's a nasty world out there and always will be. It has, reality, little or nothing to do with membership of the EU.

Harold

[Naughty Nigel]

Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

In 2001, when there was no more than a low level background of discussion on possibly leaving the EU, nearly a decade before the financial crash and a decade and a half before the referendum, I lost my job, as did about 3,000 colleagues.

At that time we were about as embedded in the EU as we have ever been.

The value of money has dropped by about 95% since the 1960s, during which time we joined the EU.

Apportion blame where you like but these things happen independently of EU membership. Major employers dump large numbers of staff from time to time. They then recruit again after the reduction in salaries NI, etc,. has improved the bottom line.

In a (10 year) earlier exercise, some colleagues were in the "Exit Lounge", having lost their jobs and engaged in looking for new ones, only to share the room (I don't get why) with their incoming replacements and were not allowed to apply for their old jobs.

It's a nasty world out there and always will be. It has, reality, little or nothing to do with membership of the EU.

Harold

[TimP]

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Democracy means people are allowed to change their minds.

[Naughty Nigel]

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Exactly. Would we be allowed a second vote if Corbyn was elected to No 10?

[Harold Gough]

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redundancy payments are tax free,

[Jim Ford]

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In redundancy it's not the employees that are redundant, it's the position they fill. It's the job that's redundant, not the person doing the job. That's why employers can't declare someone to be redundant, and employ someone else to do the same job.

Jim

[Naughty Nigel]

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In redundancy it's not the employees that are redundant, it's the position they fill. It's the job that's redundant, not the person doing the job. That's why employers can't declare someone to be redundant, and employ someone else to do the same job.

Jim

Thank you Jim. That was along the lines that I was thinking but you put it so much better.