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Mdb2 6th July 2019 07:11 AM

LCE em1x
 
Check out latest price 1999.99.
Kind regards Mike

Bengeo 6th July 2019 09:28 AM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Amazing. Only until midnight on Sunday 7th July.
https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/New/olymp...ody_33093.html

Olybirder 6th July 2019 09:49 AM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Wow, that is a real bargain for anyone who wants one. 500 cheaper than anywhere else on Camera Price Buster and 350 cheaper than HDEW. I assume they are not 'flying out of' the stores at the moment.

Ron

rsh1960 6th July 2019 03:19 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Maybe with the firmware upgrade people are sticking with the EM1 mk2.

pdk42 6th July 2019 04:23 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
I'm sure it's a more-than-capable camera, but I'm still of the view that it's a wrong-footed move by Olympus to produce it. Way too niche.

Bengeo 6th July 2019 04:47 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 484897)
Way too niche.

Possibly, but it's got the attention of professionals like Andy Rouse https://www.andyrouse.co.uk/index.php?b=1 and that exposure can help the sales of the EM1 Mk2 etc.

Olybirder 6th July 2019 04:55 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
I really hope Olympus is working on some extra subjects for tracking, in addition to 'trains, planes and automobiles'. If they could provide that in a firmware update it would broaden the camera's appeal.

Ron

Bengeo 6th July 2019 06:04 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
They have said they are doing that Ron. Hopefully birds, other animals and people. And snails .....

throt 6th July 2019 08:12 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
If to consider that it is basically EM1 mk2 with integrated battery grip then if you add this and extra battery the gap is only 400 that is ca 20% which is actually ok for updated body considering EM1 is 2 years older than EM1X

Simon Bee 6th July 2019 08:24 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 484897)
I'm sure it's a more-than-capable camera, but I'm still of the view that it's a wrong-footed move by Olympus to produce it. Way too niche.

Got to agree with you Paul and when you look at the comparison link below I know which I would go with, not that I have either as I love my PEN-F.

Simon

https://camerasize.com/compare/#812,795

Bengeo 6th July 2019 08:32 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
This is probably a better comparison: https://camerasize.com/compare/#812,649

Simon Bee 6th July 2019 09:23 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 484926)
This is probably a better comparison: https://camerasize.com/compare/#812,649

I agree Andy and I was going to use the D5 for comparison but it is an 'SLR' and not mirrorless so went with the Z6 instead.

I have seen the D5, it's a "bloody monster" therefore when we compare the em1x to it it really puts things into perspective .... the em1x is WAY too big for a camera with a sensor one quarter the size of the D5.

Compared to the Z6, a 35mm full frame mirrorless, the em1x is unfortunately "positively ridiculous". I am sure it's a great camera in many ways and yes Andy Rouse is using one but wasn't the whole idea of mirrorless to produce much smaller cameras, I mean even the mirrorless medium format Fuji GFX50r and the Hasselblad x1d are considerably smaller.

https://camerasize.com/compare/#812,805

https://camerasize.com/compare/#812,678

Simon

pdk42 6th July 2019 09:37 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
I feel for Olympus in many ways. The sensor size puts a cap on what our expectations are of size and price. An FF sports camera (mirrorless or DSLR) can be the size of the Nikon D5 and cost 4k, but a m43 camera that passes the 2k mark or that surpasses the size of a compact FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7) will be dismissed for being too big and too expensive.

And it's got nothing to do with how good the camera's features and performance are, nor whether its IQ is good enough for the intended purpose. It's just the sensor size. That's how the digital camera market has evolved.

That's why I say it was a wrong-footed move for Olympus. It was clear to me, and I think to many knowledgeable enthusiasts, that the EM1x would be seen as too big and too expensive for its sensor size by the market as a whole. I'm not saying that there aren't existing m43 users who find it right for them (as many of the wildlife guys here will attest), but that's a very small niche.

Meanwhile, we still await the EM5iii - but it looks like August may bring us good news.

Simon Bee 6th July 2019 09:51 PM

Re: LCE em1x
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 484931)
I feel for Olympus in many ways. The sensor size puts a cap on what our expectations are of size and price. An FF sports camera (mirrorless or DSLR) can be the size of the Nikon D5 and cost 4k, but a m43 camera that passes the 2k mark or that surpasses the size of a compact FF mirrorless (e.g. Sony A7) will be dismissed for being too big and too expensive.

And it's got nothing to do with how good the camera's features and performance are, nor whether its IQ is good enough for the intended purpose. It's just the sensor size. That's how the digital camera market has evolved.

That's why I say it was a wrong-footed move for Olympus. It was clear to me, and I think to many knowledgeable enthusiasts, that the EM1x would be seen as too big and too expensive for its sensor size by the market as a whole. I'm not saying that there aren't existing m43 users who find it right for them (as many of the wildlife guys here will attest), but that's a very small niche.

I totally agree Paul. I am more than happy with the results I get from the PEN-F but when a 4/3 sensor camera is as large as a PRO DSLR, Larger than a mirrorless 35mm format, and even larger than a mirrorless medium format I do wonder ... "what's the point?" . Olympus have said they are 'wedded' to the M4/3 sensor size but I cannot help feeling they 'dropped the ball' by not developing a 35mm or medium format sensor camera for their 'Pro' model. Yes sensor performance has greatly improved in recent years but that is across the board, just as M4/3 sensors get better so do the larger formats.

Olympus should keep M4/3 bodies as compact as possible and if they want to capture some of the Pro market develop a 35mm sensor camera ( or larger ) with innovative features something they have always been extremely good at, the em1x is too niche IMO.

Simon

Phill D 7th July 2019 07:46 AM

Re: LCE em1x
 
I tend to agree with both of you as I got into Olympus cameras as they were small and light. To be honest the M1 mk2 with a pro lens on is heavier than I'd like but definitely as heavy as I'm willing to go. However, what I can't understand now that they have a large body in the 1X is why they can't just open it up a bit and fit in a full frame sensor. Couldn't they then make either an extension tube or an add in lens to get the images from existing m4/3 lenses to fill the sensor? Then you'd have a FF camera with an MX body and m4/3s lenses. I doubt an adaptor would add much extra weight and the combo would be way lighter than any current FF camera kit. I'm sure there is a lot to this and many reasons why it wouldn't work but if anyone can explain why I'd like to know.


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