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Tram 15th February 2019 06:59 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 472295)
I had an update yesterday, for the Classic version. So unsure why you are saying there are no more updates,,,,,,,,,,,:confused:

No more updates for the standalone version, last one was 6.14.

jdal 17th February 2019 07:04 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
Has no-one mentioned using the free dng converter, which Adobe promote as providing backwards compatibility for new cameras.

jonesy 30th April 2019 11:50 AM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
I know this is an old thread but I am looking at options.
I really dont like subscription software, I want to carry on using the software if I can no longer afford the monthly fees.
I tried Affinity, and loved it, but it didnt do the cataloging that my Elements does. I contacted Serif and they are planning one but said there was no timescale or even no definitive plans as to what they would include in the catalogue, so I went in search of something else...

A friend asked if I had tried the ACDSee Photo Studio Ultimate... I was very wary as I had used the very early software way back when... but it seems to catalog, keyword etc. It also seems to process RAW files BETTER than my Elements (I only get limited tools in elements) and currently there is an option to buy a licence or go the subscription route) I have asked a question about whether they will still carry on with options to buy a licence and am waiting for a reply

Has anyone else used a recent version of this, and if so, do you have any opinions either way?

raichea 30th April 2019 02:57 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by jonesy (Post 479676)
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I really dont like subscription software,
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I have asked a question about whether they will still carry on with options to buy a licence and am waiting for a reply

I'm with you on the subscription front.

Don't forget that just because a company might say they have no plans to remove the purchase option, that can change. You can only guarantee that you'll have the last version you actually bought.

And, actually, this isn't always true. I have a copy of Corel Paint Shop Pro version X that I bought as a download. Turns out that the download version, unlike the shrink-wrapped CD version, had to be activated after installation. I don't even recall doing that, I bought it so long ago.

I hardly use it any more but wanted to move it to a new computer only to discover that Corel no longer have the activation server running so I could not activate it. It took a very long and heated discussion with their support team to get them to grudgingly find a way to activate the software... I may have mentioned small claims court.

pault 30th April 2019 03:16 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
Tracy, would "Olympus Workspace" be suitable for catalogueing?

DerekW 30th April 2019 03:52 PM

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Software does not fall from heaven ready to run, it has to be designed, developed, tested, documented. Who is going to pay for it if the users does not, who is going to ensure that the software stays uptodate with the latest operating system.

I resent the fee that Adobe charge, but if it was a purchase model, you would still have to pay for new versions to handle new cameras, and coomputer operating systems.

The Adobe annual fee is far less than the money you would have spent on film and chemicals in the old world.

Jax 30th April 2019 04:12 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by DerekW (Post 479692)
Software does not fall from heaven ready to run, it has to be designed, developed, tested, documented. Who is going to pay for it if the users does not, who is going to ensure that the software stays uptodate with the latest operating system.

I resent the fee that Adobe charge, but if it was a purchase model, you would still have to pay for new versions to handle new cameras, and coomputer operating systems.

The Adobe annual fee is far less than the money you would have spent on film and chemicals in the old world.

I still have a genuine 20 yr old version of Adobe Elements on disk that has worked on all Windows versions over the years. Whilst not comparable to modern versions, it was a free copy so definitely good value for money :)

Jax

Crazy Dave 30th April 2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaw (Post 471537)
Yes, I also agree. About three pints of beer per month!!

Where's your pub? Where I live a pint costs well over 4

David

jonesy 1st May 2019 09:18 AM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
I tend to upgrade my software every 3-4 years or so, or when people rave about this tool can do what I want etc. I understand fully that its expensive to develop, and that is why I will happily buy software... but on my schedule...
At work I use a CAD program for my job, and every year they push out new tools that not many people seem to use, but not repair any tools that don't work despite their customers repeatedly asking for them to be made usable, they seem to be purely focused on a profit for their shareholders, not making decent software anymore. I preferred my work software before they went subscription as we could make a choice as to whether we needed this years new tools... maybe I am old-fashioned, but thats me :)

I hope this doesnt come across as "snarky" its not meant to be at all... just my view on why I dont want subscriptionware

DerekW 7th May 2019 11:00 AM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
I rather like the subscription process (apart from the cost) as it brings to me new features without having to search for them, some recent perspective correction features have proved to be quite useful and have reduced the frequency of a diversion to Photoshop for the images.
Would I have bought a new version to get the feature - no
Do i use the new feature - yes

jdal 7th May 2019 11:17 AM

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One problem I have with this Adobe subscription/continuous upgrade thing is that the machine requirements for software are inexorably creeping up and my machine is just about at it's limits - I've maxed the memory and already have a Hybrid disk for the OS/Programs. An SSD disk is the only option left. So I've looked at Capture 1 as an alternative but it's nigh on 300, and there's no guarantee as to how it'll perform on my machine (I'd need to try out the trial). I pay 110 pa or something for Adobe, so it's about 3 years worth of Adobe for Capture 1. So long as Adobe (a) don't drop Classic LR and (b) don't suddenly up the charge to 20 a month (I've heard rumours) I'm beginning to think my best bet will be to get a new machine when things get unusable.

Ricoh 7th May 2019 01:07 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
Surveys show that the grow areas in photography are mobile phones and instant (Instax). If sales of 'proper' cameras fall off as predicted (it's more than a prediction, it's actually happening) companies like Adobe will have no option but to raise subscriptions.
The simple way around the problem is to capture in JPEG, paying attention to getting it right in camera.
On this occasion I will keep my lips sealed and not talk about a sensible alternative.

jonesy 7th May 2019 01:17 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by jdal (Post 480118)
One problem I have with this Adobe subscription/continuous upgrade thing is that the machine requirements for software are inexorably creeping up and my machine is just about at it's limits - I've maxed the memory and already have a Hybrid disk for the OS/Programs. An SSD disk is the only option left. So I've looked at Capture 1 as an alternative but it's nigh on 300, and there's no guarantee as to how it'll perform on my machine (I'd need to try out the trial). I pay 110 pa or something for Adobe, so it's about 3 years worth of Adobe for Capture 1. So long as Adobe (a) don't drop Classic LR and (b) don't suddenly up the charge to 20 a month (I've heard rumours) I'm beginning to think my best bet will be to get a new machine when things get unusable.

I just bought ACDSee Photo Studio Ultimate at a cost of just over 60 (I got 2 licences for that price too). It catalogues, and RAW developing and regular "photoshop" type processing too. I downloaded the trial, and someone from them contacted me later to see if I was happy with it, and undercut the web price by a further 15% . It is way more than the elements I am used to. It is a perpetual licence, and when I asked they had no plans to remove that type of licence.

They do run a referral system, but I dont know if thats a good thing or not :D

Tordan58 7th May 2019 02:17 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 480120)
Surveys show that the grow areas in photography are mobile phones and instant (Instax). If sales of 'proper' cameras fall off as predicted (it's more than a prediction, it's actually happening) companies like Adobe will have no option but to raise subscriptions.
The simple way around the problem is to capture in JPEG, paying attention to getting it right in camera.
On this occasion I will keep my lips sealed and not talk about a sensible alternative.

I am inclined to agree on the first part, but have disagree on the second. The workflow involves processing (cropping, exposure, tonal curve, white balance etc) then tagging to ease managing large amounts of photos and finally developing (exporting to various formats using various settings) which has nothing to do with source format (JPG or RAW/ORF).

jdal 7th May 2019 04:23 PM

Re: Adobe LR - no more updates - options?
 
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Originally Posted by jonesy (Post 480121)
… It catalogues, and RAW developing and regular "photoshop" type processing too. ...

Does that cataloguing include hierarchical keywords? That's a deal-breaker for me.

***update **** Forget that question, I'm having a shot at the trial.

***update of update *** Performance is no better on my machine than Lightroom, runs something in the background that uses masses of power (i.e processor intensive), when the app itself isn't running. Import of LR stuff seemed good, but machine rebooted half way through, no idea why. Didn't like the way it handled selecting by keywords. A shame, it looks a good bit of software and well worth the money. I think if I hadn't gotten so used to LR and had a more powerful machine, I'd likely use it.


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