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shenstone 1st December 2018 04:34 PM

Olympus 150-400 Rumour
 
Did folk see this ?


https://www.43rumors.com/ft5-olympus...-5-in-january/

It's certainly goy my interest. if the reviews are good I think that would compliment the 12-100 perfectly as a tinw lens set *chr

regards
Andy

OM USer 1st December 2018 04:40 PM

Re: Olympus 150-400 Rumour
 
I would like one... but maybe not the price. At the end if the article is "Both sources confirmed there will be a 1.2x teleconverter too!". I hope this is a typo and that it is not a bespoke 1.2x but the rumoured 2.0x.

Tordan58 1st December 2018 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OM USer (Post 464321)
I would like one... but maybe not the price. At the end if the article is "Both sources confirmed there will be a 1.2x teleconverter too!". I hope this is a typo and that it is not a bespoke 1.2x but the rumoured 2.0x.

If that turns true, the lens better be F/4 and not F/5.6.

pdk42 2nd December 2018 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tordan58 (Post 464350)
If that turns true, the lens better be F/4 and not F/5.6.

The smart money is on f4.5! That's not as stupid as it sounds. The difference between f4 and f4.5 in terms of diameter of the front element is significant. 400mm f/4.5 would be a shade under 90mm, whilst f4 would likely be the wrong side of 100mm. Either way, you're looking at a very large optic.

Bengeo 2nd December 2018 12:49 AM

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I'm hoping it will be f5.6 as per the original rumours. Anything faster will be very heavy and expensive. Just look at the Canikon equivalents.

I see a lot of Panasonic 100-400mm lenses around and if Olympus could do this at Pro quality for under £2000 they should sell loads.

Ross the fiddler 2nd December 2018 04:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 464359)
I'm hoping it will be f5.6 as per the original rumours. Anything faster will be very heavy and expensive. Just look at the Canikon equivalents.

I see a lot of Panasonic 100-400mm lenses around and if Olympus could do this at Pro quality for under £2000 they should sell loads.

Yes, the original rumour (from Simon) was for a variable aperture at F4-5.6 & that lens wasn't going to come till the end of 2019.

TimP 2nd December 2018 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 464361)
Yes, the original rumour (from Simon) was for a variable aperture at F4-5.6 & that lens wasn't going to come till the end of 2019.

I thought the original rumour I saw was even slower than 5.6. Maybe confused though.
Canít see a 2x converter being much help even if it is 4.5 and not 5.6, losing 2 stops will limit usefulness.

Tordan58 2nd December 2018 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 464358)
The smart money is on f4.5! That's not as stupid as it sounds. The difference between f4 and f4.5 in terms of diameter of the front element is significant. 400mm f/4.5 would be a shade under 90mm, whilst f4 would likely be the wrong side of 100mm. Either way, you're looking at a very large optic.

Hi,
What I meant was that, if that there is a MC20 in the plan, and assuming it is designed for compatibility with the 150-400 then the lens should be F/4. It the MC20 is a false rumour then the lens could very well be F/5.6 and then compete with the Panasonic. It would also cannibalize with the 300 F/4 and fill the gap above the 40-150 F/2.8. I agree that 100mm front lens is quite large, still not excessive. Look at e.g. the Canon 400 F/4 DO, weight 2.1 kg. Zoom components and glass would probably push that figure a bit. Filter could be drop-in. It would be expensive, though.

Bengeo 2nd December 2018 09:08 AM

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Is it possible to make a DO (or PF) zoom lens?

Ross the fiddler 2nd December 2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TimP (Post 464371)
I thought the original rumour I saw was even slower than 5.6. Maybe confused though.
Can’t see a 2x converter being much help even if it is 4.5 and not 5.6, losing 2 stops will limit usefulness.

The lens information I refer to is here & the MC20 here with another reference to the MC20 here.

GyRob 2nd December 2018 12:11 PM

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imho Olympus need a super telephoto lens in there line up for M4/3 for sport and wild life a 300 f2.8 or 400 f4 yes it would cost a fair bit but not as much as Canon / Nikon's super tele's .
Rob.

DavidB 2nd December 2018 01:04 PM

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I'd get a 150 - 400 F4 - F5.6, but might have to wait for Black Friday 2019 reduction and maybe + a 15% off code & cashback promotion.

At 300mm would it be about F4.6, just over 1/3 stop slower than the 300mm F4?

If it is a 1.2 x teleconvertor, which would make it 180 - 480mm, at 420mm (same as 300mm + 1.4x), would it be about F6.3, once again only 1/3 stop slower than the 300mm F4 + 1.4x at F5.6.

Does that sound about right?

Gwyver 3rd December 2018 07:44 AM

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The 1st December rumour on that web site mentions '2 telezooms' amongst other items to be announced.
Perhaps there is a fast zoom for professional sports photographers, and something slower & less expensive for enthusiasts?

I think a x1.2 teleconvertor makes sense for a fast long zoom - as it would be only ~1/2 stop slower.
Designing a top-notch teleconvertor for a zoom lens whilst avoiding bokeh problems across the zoom range must be very challenging - as shown from the occasional behaviour of the MC-14 with the 40~150 Pro zoom (which isn't seen when the MC-14 is used with the 300 f4 prime).

Bengeo 3rd December 2018 08:15 AM

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The 1.2x converter is almost certainly a typo for the 2x converter. There has never been one before and why would you bother for just a 20% increase? That rumour site does have useful info at times but it has many errors and mistakes.

Ross the fiddler 3rd December 2018 10:27 AM

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I don't know about the 1.2 x TC but there is an Olympus patent for a 1.7 & 2.0 x TCs. http://thenewcamera.com/olympus-2-0x...erter-patents/

DavidB 3rd December 2018 10:38 AM

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If it is a 2x teleconverter, 300 - 800mm F8 - 11 isn't something I'd be interested in , so I hope it would be an optional extra, rather than bundled with the zoom and jacking up the price.

pdk42 3rd December 2018 12:41 PM

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I really don't think a m43 long lens at anything slower than f5.6 makes any sense at all. In any case, 100-400 should be enough. If you really want longer, then a prime is probably the best option rather than a TC.

Ross the fiddler 3rd December 2018 12:59 PM

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I would think an MC20 could only be used on an F2.8 lens or faster, so I don't know what other options besides the MC14 will be coming or not. A 1.2 X TC maybe a typo whereas there are patents for 1.7 & 2.0, but I doubt anything more than 1.4 with an F5.6 long end of the lens (at 400mm) would be worth using, but still attractive at 560mm F7.8 in good light (with Sync IS). But..... it's still rumours & speculations at this point. *shrug

Gwyver 3rd December 2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 464460)
The 1.2x converter is almost certainly a typo for the 2x converter.

You are probably correct...
Quote:

There has never been one before and why would you bother for just a 20% increase? That rumour site does have useful info at times but it has many errors and mistakes.
... however, bear in mind that this extra (miserly) 20% would take you from 800mm fl to 960mm fl (in 35mm terms).
Though I think you'd have to forego the coffee if using such a lens combo - even with Olympus Sync-IS :)

wornish 15th December 2018 12:49 PM

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Looks like its being officially registered and it is an f4.0 ! so it's going to be big.

https://www.43rumors.com/olympus-len...mm-f-4-0-lens/

Bengeo 15th December 2018 01:08 PM

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Where does it confirm it is f4?

wornish 15th December 2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 465854)
Where does it confirm it is f4?

In the link

Bengeo 15th December 2018 03:10 PM

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That's just what the Rumours guy is saying. Last week he didn't know whether it was f4 or f4.5 There's nothing in the info he links to other than it refers to a lens.

Ross the fiddler 15th December 2018 08:55 PM

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The only more realistic information I know is from Simon & he was saying it was going to be F4-5.6. That would be a more realistic size, but we won’t know until we get more concrete details. Also, it may be for one of the other lenses coming.

wornish 24th January 2019 08:57 AM

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Well, it's been announced now and it is F4.5 :(

What's surprising is its WHITE. Available in 2020!

The 2X teleconverter will be available summer 2019 though and is compatible with the 300mm and 40-150mm lenses :)

https://www.dpreview.com/news/619236...-teleconverter

DavidB 24th January 2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 469299)
What's surprising is its WHITE

I was expecting that

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidB (Post 467906)
something else nobody has raised, will it be white?


wornish 24th January 2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidB (Post 469303)
I was expecting that

Missed that

DavidB 24th January 2019 09:37 AM

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At least the 2x TC is going to be black.

Wonder how much a black lenscoat for the 150 -300mm will cost?

Walti 24th January 2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidB (Post 469307)
At least the 2x TC is going to be black.

Wonder how much a black lenscoat for the 150 -300mm will cost?

Now, just think about what you've said.... EVERYONE knows that a lens coat needs to be camouflaged, not black! :D*chr

Walti 24th January 2019 10:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 464460)
The 1.2x converter is almost certainly a typo for the 2x converter. There has never been one before and why would you bother for just a 20% increase? That rumour site does have useful info at times but it has many errors and mistakes.

All the specs I've seen show a built in 1.2 converter, similar to the Canikon lenses of this type, with the ability to use an external converter as well.

So its a 150-400 with inbuilt 1.2 giving 180-480 out of the box and the ability to add a 1.4 or a 2.0 converter if you're so inclined!

Looks pricey though - and Hooooooge!

Bengeo 24th January 2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bengeo (Post 469317)
The 1.2x converter is almost certainly a typo for the 2x converter. There has never been one before and why would you bother for just a 20% increase? That rumour site does have useful info at times but it has many errors and mistakes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walti (Post 469317)
All the specs I've seen show a built in 1.2 converter, similar to the Canikon lenses of this type, with the ability to use an external converter as well.
So its a 150-400 with inbuilt 1.2 giving 180-480 out of the box and the ability to add a 1.4 or a 2.0 converter if you're so inclined!

Well I did write that nearly 2 months ago. And I was right! It's not a 1.2x converter. It's a 1.25x ;)

DavidB 24th January 2019 10:46 AM

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Looks about 300mm long and 100mm max dia.

Keith-369 24th January 2019 11:25 AM

Re: Olympus 150-400 Rumour
 
I think this 150-400 will be to big and heavy for both me and my pocket so it looks like I'll be waiting for the proposed 'Super Telephoto Zoom Lens' as mentioned here -

https://www.43rumors.com/this-is-the...-lens-roadmap/

Phill D 24th January 2019 01:09 PM

Re: Olympus 150-400 Rumour
 
The option of a x2 tc sounds very attractive to me. Converting my 40-150 to an 80-300 f5.6. That sounds like a great way to get a birding lens without going for the 100-400 panasonic or the expense of the new oly lens.

Tordan58 24th January 2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 469299)
Well, it's been announced now and it is F4.5 :(

What's surprising is its WHITE. Available in 2020!

The 2X teleconverter will be available summer 2019 though and is compatible with the 300mm and 40-150mm lenses :)

https://www.dpreview.com/news/619236...-teleconverter

The highly respected Zuiko 350 F/2.8 was/is white. One of the photos displays the new lens alongside with the Pana 100-400.

Walti 24th January 2019 01:38 PM

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Hmmm,

Given its shown at 250mm and there's no hint of an extension of the lens - it presumably is an internal zoom mechanism, then it's not "that" much longer than the Panny at 400 - its a fair bit bigger in girth though! ;)


The lens hood is mahoosive as well...


OM USer 24th January 2019 05:44 PM

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It will stand out in a crowd (unless its a pitch side shot of rows of white lenses and then no-one will know it's an Olympus).

DavidB 24th January 2019 05:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith-369 (Post 469332)
I think this 150-400 will be to big and heavy for both me and my pocket so it looks like I'll be waiting for the proposed 'Super Telephoto Zoom Lens' as mentioned here -

https://www.43rumors.com/this-is-the...-lens-roadmap/



Previous lens roadmaps were divided into Pro/Premium/standard, but this one merges the latter of the 2 catergories (although this new lens appears amongst the standard lenses, but they were all zooms).

Will the superzoom be a premium or standard 100-400mm (or something else)?

https://i1.wp.com/camerajabber.com/w...n_24-_019.jpg?

Gwyver 24th January 2019 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Phill D (Post 469362)
The option of a x2 tc sounds very attractive to me. Converting my 40-150 to an 80-300 f5.6. That sounds like a great way to get a birding lens without going for the 100-400 panasonic or the expense of the new oly lens.

Pretty much the way I'm thinking. My 40-150 will get a new lease of life.

For me the new lens roadmap is the most interesting aspect of today's announcement. Of course history shows that Olympus don't always deliver on their lens roadmaps. :(

It's the 2 proposed telephoto zooms in the ~60 to ~250mm range that are notable. Since their zoom ranges seem to largely overlap, it will be interesting to discover what the main differences will be (max aperture, built-in IS ?)

DavidB 24th January 2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwyver (Post 469416)
It's the 2 proposed telephoto zooms in the ~60 to ~250mm range that are notable. Since their zoom ranges seem to largely overlap, it will be interesting to discover what the main differences will be (max aperture, built-in IS ?)

They further confuse future options.

As Pro lenses will they take the 1.4 and 2.0x teleconverters?

But will they be more fat, white, super expensive lenses similar to the 150-400?


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