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Naughty Nigel 9th May 2019 11:21 AM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 480090)
The history of digital photography has shown that increasing pixel count is usually accompanied by lower overall noise, not the inverse. More Mp also gives greater scope for cropping as well as delivering greater capacity for fine detail. It's also the case that any lens will improve as the pixel count increases - it's not as simple as saying that a particular lens "only resolves x Mp so higher density sensors are pointless". That's not true. Personally, I'd value (and would probably buy) a 32Mp m43 camera.

But at what point do you say 'enough is enough', or decide that the law of diminishing returns means there is no little practical benefit to be gained from buying yet more pixels?

Let's just assume that you bought the new OM-D EM-1 Mk# with a 32 MP sensor, would you replace it when a 64 MP sensor inevitably arrived?

wornish 9th May 2019 11:34 AM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
Simply having more pixels reaches a point of no return. The smaller the pixel the less light falls on it in a given exposure.

I think that Google is showing the way forward. They are using high speed, in-phone, stacking and pixel binning to capture more dynamic range and reduce noise at the same time. Oly is also trying a different approach with their Hi-Res stuff.

Ricoh 9th May 2019 12:02 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 480278)
I would need to update my computer with files that size though. ;)

Plus another load of $$$$s, payable to Adobe for their subscription service.

I think camera companies, software developers (of operating systems and photo processing software) and chip developers all cough and spit in the same pot.

Naughty Nigel 9th May 2019 12:24 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 480290)
Plus another load of $$$$s, payable to Adobe for their subscription service.

Indeed. Adobe have created something of a monopoly in this market and are milking it for everything it is worth, but they are far from the worst offenders.

Many other software companies have jumped onto the subscription bandwagon in recent times and some, notably providers of small business accounting software,* make Adobe look cheap. :mad:

What we really need is some way of making photographs that does not involve using computers. ;)


*Think of a green aromatic garden herb used for seasoning meats, and wisdom that comes with age and experience.

wornish 9th May 2019 12:24 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 480290)
Plus another load of $$$$s, payable to Adobe for their subscription service.

I think camera companies, software developers (of operating systems and photo processing software) and chip developers all cough and spit in the same pot.

You don't get "owt for nowt" as they say.

Ross the fiddler 9th May 2019 12:27 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 480290)
Plus another load of $$$$s, payable to Adobe for their subscription service.

I think camera companies, software developers (of operating systems and photo processing software) and chip developers all cough and spit in the same pot.

It's just as well that I don't use Adobe then. :p :D

Naughty Nigel 9th May 2019 12:29 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 480296)
You don't get "owt for nowt" as they say.

Yeahbut, when we could buy Photoshop on a perpetual licence a one-off payment of £150 or so lasted for as long as you were happy to use it. (I still have CS6 on one of my computers.)

I am currently paying about £56 a month, every month (without VAT) for a whole bundle of software, most of which I have no need or wish to use, but I have to pay for it all the same.

Naughty Nigel 9th May 2019 12:31 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Ross the fiddler (Post 480298)
It's just as well that I don't use Adobe then. :p :D

I see Apple has pulled the plug on their photo editing software.

wornish 9th May 2019 12:33 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 480300)
Yeahbut, when we could buy Photoshop on a perpetual licence a one-off payment of £150 or so lasted for as long as you were happy to use it. (I still have CS6 on one of my computers.)

I am currently paying about £56 a month, every month (without VAT) for a whole bundle of software, most of which I have no need or wish to use, but I have to pay for it all the same.

That seems a lot.

I pay £9.98 for Photography package which gives me Lightroom and PS that covers everything I need including regular updates and support for new cameras. What other software do you need?

wornish 9th May 2019 12:42 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 480301)
I see Apple has pulled the plug on their photo editing software.

They dropped Aperture quite a few years ago and they have now replaced iPhoto with a free alternative that runs on Macs, iPads, and iPhones just called Photo.

Can't get cheaper than free it comes with every mac, iPad or iPhone.

If you want full PS functionality you can always use GIMP - it is also free.

Naughty Nigel 9th May 2019 12:56 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 480302)
That seems a lot.

I pay £9.98 for Photography package which gives me Lightroom and PS that covers everything I need including regular updates and support for new cameras. What other software do you need?

I have the full CC suite. I need and use Photoshop, Acrobat Pro and InDesign. I occasionally use Illustrator too.

Acrobat 2017 is still available as a stand-alone, but at enormous cost, the others are not, so it is Hobson's choice.

wornish 9th May 2019 01:11 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
£56 per month is one big increase for Acrobat Pro and In Design.

Have you considered Affinity Publisher which has just gone into Beta.

The other affinity software apps are excellent.

Affinity Photo (a PS equivalent) and Affinity Designer (an Illustrator equivalent)

all available for a single one-off payment.

Ross the fiddler 9th May 2019 01:26 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 480301)
I see Apple has pulled the plug on their photo editing software.

Just as well I don't use an Aple computer either (only my ipad for bedtime browsing). ;) :D I'm happy using Capture One on my pc (laptop) & have recently upgraded with a discount at Easter. I use free Hugin software for pano stitching so I'm happy for now.

pdk42 9th May 2019 01:56 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
If you want free, then either Darktable or Rawtherapee are the way to go.

pdk42 9th May 2019 02:01 PM

Re: Rumours that Sony has made a 32MP MFT sensor
 
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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 480282)
But at what point do you say 'enough is enough', or decide that the law of diminishing returns means there is no little practical benefit to be gained from buying yet more pixels?

Let's just assume that you bought the new OM-D EM-1 Mk# with a 32 MP sensor, would you replace it when a 64 MP sensor inevitably arrived?

Well, it definitely has to be true that a point will be reached when more pixels is too many, but I don't think we've got there yet. The problem is that as tech evolves, there's always the temptation to say that it's now as good as it ever needs to be - but then tech moves again and statements made in the past look foolish. For example, here's a quote from a certain Akira Watanabe of Olympus back in 2009:

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Olympus declared that it refuses to participate in the megapixels war: something that more popular camera manufacturers like Canon and Nikon are known engage in.

With that statement, Olympus rep Akira Watanabe said that instead, Olympus will focus on critical image issues like dynamic range, color reproduction, and a better ISO range for low-light shooting. He goes on to say that 12MP is enough for most users.

Watanabe acknowledges the fact that studio photographers need more megapixels and that Olympus isn’t targeting them for business. Instead, he believes that 12MP will satisfy the needs that most people using DSLRs. “We don’t think 20 megapixels is necessary for everybody. If a customer wants more than 12 megapixels, he should go to the full-frame models,” Watanabe said.
ref: https://www.geek.com/gadgets/olympus...enough-710572/


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