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Otto 29th December 2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 466991)
That said, I would like to try a roll of the new Ektar 100 in the OM sometime soon.


Not sure if Ektar has been reformulated but I used some in Florence some years ago in my OM-2n. The results were superb. I have quite an extensive collection of OM kit lying unused while I await the return of some enthusiasm, but digital is just so much easier. As a result I find my photography has got lazier!


I had a Mamiya RB kit for a while which weighed a ton, and needed a sturdy tripod weighing another ton so I didn't keep it very long. My favourite MF camera was a Mamiya 6MF which handled like a big Leica and weighed about the same as my OM-4 plus 35-105 zoom. I had the body and the three lenses which all packed into a small bag which was easily portable. The lenses were generally regarded as world class and certainly the results I got with it were superb. It had interlocks for everything to prevent mishaps, except there was no warning of the lens cap being in place, prompting a friend who was watching me compose a photo with it in place to remark "what you see is what you would have got". After a few blanks I got into the habit of removing the cap whenever I extended the lens!

pdk42 29th December 2018 10:28 AM

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That's interesting Nigel and Richard. I found a fascinating blog a little while ago (can't find it now!!) by a guy who was specialising in mono work on 120 film. His output was very impressive. He was going through a long line of emulsions to find what suited him best.

Sometimes I'm tempted to give MF a try since I never did in film days. OTOH, a good friend of mine has recently bought a Bronica and a couple of lenses and I think he's used it twice before putting it into the glass display case! I have no desire to keep cameras as collectors items.

Ricoh 29th December 2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 467017)
That's interesting Nigel and Richard. I found a fascinating blog a little while ago (can't find it now!!) by a guy who was specialising in mono work on 120 film. His output was very impressive. He was going through a long line of emulsions to find what suited him best.

Sometimes I'm tempted to give MF a try since I never did in film days. OTOH, a good friend of mine has recently bought a Bronica and a couple of lenses and I think he's used it twice before putting it into the glass display case! I have no desire to keep cameras as collectors items.

Unless one has a flatbed, or a dedicated MF scanner such as the Plustek (you'll need many s though), or possibly wish to take a picture of the negative with a MFT, it needs some thinking.
For pocket money you get one of these: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Ho...&client=safari

And as a primer, beg steal or purchase a copy of 'HOLGA Photographs' by Michael Kenna.

Naughty Nigel 29th December 2018 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 467013)
Not sure if Ektar has been reformulated but I used some in Florence some years ago in my OM-2n. The results were superb.

I am fairly sure that Ektar 100 has been reformulated, or at least 'heavily revised' over the past few years, and is now claimed to be the finest grain colour negative film on the market.

The old Eastman Kodak company is no longer, but the reincarnated Kodak Alaris business seems determined to produce top quality emulsions for the demanding new breed of film photographers.

(Let's be honest, a lot of films produced by the big players in the latter days of mass-market film photography were utter crap so improvement should not be difficult!)

I am sure the new Kodak Alaris management team is under no illusions that digital is the easy and default choice for today's photographers, so they have made it their mission to produce films that photographers want to choose above digital. The new Ektachrome film has been well received, and there have even been rumours of resurrecting Kodachrome; but if it did ever happen I suspect it would be heavily reformulated from the original; possibly as an E6 emulsion.

There were some problems with Ektar two or three years ago with reports of the emulsion detaching from the polyester base, but this has been resolved now. (The base is supplied by an outside contractor who applies the emulsion provided by Kodak.)

It is an open secret that Fuji has not manufactured any film at all for at least two years now, and that their current inventory is limited to stocks, so hopefully the Kodak Alaris management team will be taking full advantage of this opportunity.

Naughty Nigel 29th December 2018 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 467013)
I had a Mamiya RB kit for a while which weighed a ton, and needed a sturdy tripod weighing another ton so I didn't keep it very long.

The RB was even heavier than the RZ!

However, I have convinced myself that the 645 produces negatives around two-thirds the size of the RZ so the extreme weight penalty is only worthwhile in good weather and when I don't have to carry the RZ too far! *yes

Ricoh 29th December 2018 11:02 PM

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Do you scan the negs, NN?
Some good Jan sales on Epson V800. Has me thinking of raiding the piggy...

Ricoh 29th December 2018 11:07 PM

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For me film photography is B&W, but the likes of Colorplus pushes really nice at +2 stops. At box it's quite flat, but pushed looks really nice with an old-world feel. Cheap as chips too.

Naughty Nigel 29th December 2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 467049)
Do you scan the negs, NN?
Some good Jan sales on Epson V800. Has me thinking of raiding the piggy...

Yes, I have a Nikon LS9000, but despite the 'Scan Speed' name it takes its time. :)

Software has been an issue because Nikon dropped support after Windows Xp and the Mac OS of the same era, but we have set up a 32 bit Windows 7 machine that does the job well enough.

Ricoh 29th December 2018 11:27 PM

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Yes, I have a Nikon LS9000, but despite the 'Scan Speed' name it takes its time. :)

Software has been an issue because Nikon dropped support after Windows Xp and the Mac OS of the same era, but we have set up a 32 bit Windows 7 machine that does the job well enough.

If you scan and then print, as opposed to a full-on wet process, 2 things are essential: i) quality of scan and ii) throughput. The V800 is supplied with the base+1 of SilverFast and is supported by 7, 8.1 and 10.

DerekW 30th December 2018 09:31 AM

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NN


If your 32bit machine dies try using the Vuescan program for driving the Nikon scanner. Vuescan have saved many devices from being junked when driver programs became abandoned.

Bikie John 30th December 2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 467052)
Yes, I have a Nikon LS9000, but despite the 'Scan Speed' name it takes its time. :)

Software has been an issue because Nikon dropped support after Windows Xp and the Mac OS of the same era, but we have set up a 32 bit Windows 7 machine that does the job well enough.

We're drifting a bit off-topic here, but....

I have a Nikon Coolscan V (aka LS-50) which I believe uses the same driver as the LS-9000. I have it working quite happily on Windows 10 64-bit, and before that on 64-bit Windows 7. From what I remember it took a small bit of juggling to get it to run on 64-bit, I can't remember the details but will dig them out if you are interested. I only had to do this once. There is a further irritation that every time Windows does a big update (about once a year) you have to go through a palaver to persuade Windows that the driver is OK.

I raised a thread about it a couple of weeks back:

http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49387

And as Derek has pointed out above, Vuescan is also a pretty good solution.

Either sounds a better bet to me than maintaining a 32-bit old system, but of course you may feel differently :)

I have also scanned some medium format negs, FP4 (I think) from a Bronica 645, on an Epson V750 and the results were stunning.

John

Naughty Nigel 30th December 2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 467054)
If you scan and then print, as opposed to a full-on wet process, 2 things are essential: i) quality of scan and ii) throughput. The V800 is supplied with the base+1 of SilverFast and is supported by 7, 8.1 and 10.

I was quite tempted by the V800, (I need a new flatbed scanner anyway), but the reviews I read all spoke about the poor quality of the film carriers Vs the V750.

I have looked online for a V750 but they seem to be like rocking horse doodah, so presumably anyone who owns one is guarding it with their life! :)


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Originally Posted by Bikie John (Post 467086)
I have a Nikon Coolscan V (aka LS-50) which I believe uses the same driver as the LS-9000. I have it working quite happily on Windows 10 64-bit, and before that on 64-bit Windows 7. From what I remember it took a small bit of juggling to get it to run on 64-bit, I can't remember the details but will dig them out if you are interested. I only had to do this once. There is a further irritation that every time Windows does a big update (about once a year) you have to go through a palaver to persuade Windows that the driver is OK.

Yes please. The problem seems to be that Windows refuses to use unsigned drivers, and when we tried to install the Nikon software on both Windows 8.1 and 10 x64 it flatly refused to work. My son tried to install the Nikon software on his Dirty Mac and had the same problems. He said that it would need an earlier Mac OS to work, but that the earlier versions, whilst available, didn't support the newer Apple Mac hardware. You cannot win. :(

I know that things move on, but I really am very disappointed that Nikon should drop software support for very expensive film scanners so soon after selling them.

I have tried Vuescan and Silverfast but wasn't overly impressed with them. Apart from losing hardware features such as ICE I found one of them (I cannot remember which) rather too fussy to use. Plus I couldn't assess the quality of my scans owing to the heavy watermarking.

I actually quite liked the Nikon software for all of its quirks, especially as I can save scanned files in *.NEF format which I can adjust easily in ACR.

We have pressed an otherwise redundant Windows 7 32 bit machine into service for scanning duties, but we are managing it via remote desktop for convenience. Once the *.NEF files have been saved we can edit them on more up to date machines.

Ricoh 30th December 2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Naughty Nigel (Post 467090)
I was quite tempted by the V800, (I need a new flatbed scanner anyway), but the reviews I read all spoke about the poor quality of the film carriers Vs the V750.

I have looked online for a V750 but they seem to be like rocking horse doodah, so presumably anyone who owns one is guarding it with their life! :)




Yes please. The problem seems to be that Windows refuses to use unsigned drivers, and when we tried to install the Nikon software on both Windows 8.1 and 10 x64 it flatly refused to work. My son tried to install the Nikon software on his Dirty Mac and had the same problems. He said that it would need an earlier Mac OS to work, but that the earlier versions, whilst available, didn't support the newer Apple Mac hardware. You cannot win. :(

I know that things move on, but I really am very disappointed that Nikon should drop software support for very expensive film scanners so soon after selling them.

I have tried Vuescan and Silverfast but wasn't overly impressed with them. Apart from losing hardware features such as ICE I found one of them (I cannot remember which) rather too fussy to use. Plus I couldn't assess the quality of my scans owing to the heavy watermarking.

I actually quite liked the Nikon software for all of its quirks, especially as I can save scanned files in *.NEF format which I can adjust easily in ACR.

We have pressed an otherwise redundant Windows 7 32 bit machine into service for scanning duties, but we are managing it via remote desktop for convenience. Once the *.NEF files have been saved we can edit them on more up to date machines.

BetterScan offer an alternative:
http://www.betterscanning.com/scanni...series800.html
I've read good reports from users.

Edit: Of interest maybe, Ffordes have a V750 for reasonable money:
https://www.ffordes.com/product/18112112472381

Naughty Nigel 30th December 2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 467091)
BetterScan offer an alternative:
http://www.betterscanning.com/scanni...series800.html
I've read good reports from users.

Edit: Of interest maybe, Ffordes have a V750 for reasonable money:
https://www.ffordes.com/product/18112112472381

Thanks for those. I will have a look.

I have used Ffordes many times before and trust them. I will give them a call in the morning.

I see the V750 comes with a 6x6 negative holder but I'm not sure if that is a mistake and that it will also take 645 and 6x7.

Ricoh 30th December 2018 12:45 PM

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Park Cameras have the V800 for a tad more at 449, with free delivery. That's new, not second hand, but as you intimated the later Epson neg holders aren't up to much, so the all-up cost would go up if you were to add the Betterscan holders.


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