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snerkler 30th January 2019 04:41 PM

Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Hi,

I've currently got the EM1 but over the past few weeks have been considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions, and some advice from those that made the same switch please.

I've just posted this thread in the EM1 section (thought I'd just link the thread rather than duplicating) and wondered if people experience the same with the Mark II when panning? I don't know if the Mark II would be better in this regard due to the reduced lag and better screen refresh rate?
http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post470254

That would be one very good reason for me to upgrade if I can pan more easily, but the other reasons for considering the upgrade are the dual card slot, better noise handling and better resolution.

With regards to the noise handling of the Mark II is there a noticeable difference when you're up at ISO 3200 and 6400 or is it negligible in the real world (I shoot RAW).

Whilst the Mark II has extra res I was a bit concerned when I stumbled across this site and saw the red swatch in the second series of images that compared the Mark II and Mark I at ISO 200, the Mark 1 appears to show a higher level of detail and contrast in the flowers on the red swatch. Is this just one of those stupid tests that should be ignored, or have others found that the Mark II doesn't resolve certain detail as well. If it's the latter is this just jpeg or RAW as well?
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRO...ge-quality.htm

Last silly question. I see that they've not only centralised the tripod thread, but also moved it further forward. For those of you that use the peak design slide with one of the anchors on the tripod plate have you noticed any issues with the new location in terms of how the camera 'sits' on your hip/side?

Any info would be appreciated.

Walti 30th January 2019 04:50 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
I find there is an improvement at ISO6400, but dependant on conditions it can still be a little noisier than I would like. - it deals with noise better on slightly over exposed vs slightly under exposed.

The image quality is overall better than the MKi.

I hadn't noticed the move of the tripod mount so got the MKi out to look - Oh yes it's moved - however I don't have a Peak Design thingy to worry about! It sits on my Manfrotto tripod just fine and doesn't need the adaptor plate removing to swap batteries.

birdboy 30th January 2019 05:37 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
I had the E5 and upgraded to the EM1 for motorcycle racing and cars. When panning and trying to follow the cars/bikes the EM1 was very poor compared to E5. I could never get good results with CAF with the EM1. I did upgrade to the EM1 MKII with much much better results. Its still not as good as a true DSLR with a flippy floppy mirror. An option that does work well on the mirrorless cameras is to use a red dot finder instead of the viewfinder. You get a wider view as well so if you loose track you can easily recover.

Here are some examples from the EM1 MKII

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P4081419.jpg

These 3 images are from a burst of 8 frames the showing 1st, 4th and 8th frame, no cropping CAF.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261092.jpg
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261095.jpg
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261099.jpg

bigsambwfc 30th January 2019 05:58 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
[IMG]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4876/...c5ba6212_c.jpggull chacombe 30/1/19 by Walter Warburton, on Flickr[/IMG]concur totally with your views, photo here today of gull using dot sight ,no stabilisation,caf 9spot, mk2 with p/l 100/400lens

snerkler 30th January 2019 06:59 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by birdboy (Post 470271)
I had the E5 and upgraded to the EM1 for motorcycle racing and cars. When panning and trying to follow the cars/bikes the EM1 was very poor compared to E5. I could never get good results with CAF with the EM1. I did upgrade to the EM1 MKII with much much better results. Its still not as good as a true DSLR with a flippy floppy mirror. An option that does work well on the mirrorless cameras is to use a red dot finder instead of the viewfinder. You get a wider view as well so if you loose track you can easily recover.

Here are some examples from the EM1 MKII

http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P4081419.jpg

These 3 images are from a burst of 8 frames the showing 1st, 4th and 8th frame, no cropping CAF.
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261092.jpg
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261095.jpg
http://e-group.uk.net/gallery/data/500/P8261099.jpg

Thanks, this shots look good. Is the first one at Donington? I've looked at the red dots but looking into it do you not have to recalibrate it every time you change focal lengths, in which case this would be no good for a zoom lens?

After reading around I have figured out the issue with panning though. In continuous high you do not get a real time view, but a view of the previous frame. At 9fps this only equates to a small 'lag' but coming from a DSLR with no delay it's enough for me to lose track of a subject However, if you choose continuous low it shows you the real time view making it much easier to track subjects. The only caveat is that continuous low maxes out at 6.5fps. I'd rather this and be able to track the subject though.

Does anyone know if the Mark II is the same, ie you only get real time view using continuous low?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsambwfc (Post 470274)
[IMG]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4876/...c5ba6212_c.jpggull chacombe 30/1/19 by Walter Warburton, on Flickr[/IMG]concur totally with your views, photo here today of gull using dot sight ,no stabilisation,caf 9spot, mk2 with p/l 100/400lens

Thanks :)

birdboy 30th January 2019 11:29 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
The first image was from Rockingham during one of Olympus's experience days. The bike iamges from the Isle of Man Classic TT 2017.

I only use Low anti-shock sequential frame rate about 5-7 fps in CAF. Each frame is refocused. In High Sequential frames rate only the first frame is focused.

Not sure what you mean by real time viewing because you cannot with a mirrorless. There is an option to have a high frame rate in the EVF under gear D2 which I use.
There is still a slight delay with the EM1 MKII but I think you can adjust to it. I am sure the E-M1X having more processing power is better still but for me and I am happy getting what I get and could not justify the huge cost step to get the faster focus.

snerkler 31st January 2019 08:15 AM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by birdboy (Post 470327)
The first image was from Rockingham during one of Olympus's experience days. The bike iamges from the Isle of Man Classic TT 2017.

I only use Low anti-shock sequential frame rate about 5-7 fps in CAF. Each frame is refocused. In High Sequential frames rate only the first frame is focused.

Not sure what you mean by real time viewing because you cannot with a mirrorless. There is an option to have a high frame rate in the EVF under gear D2 which I use.
There is still a slight delay with the EM1 MKII but I think you can adjust to it. I am sure the E-M1X having more processing power is better still but for me and I am happy getting what I get and could not justify the huge cost step to get the faster focus.

Ahh, it looks a bit like the Melbourne hairpin at Donington ;)

Interesting about continuous hi not refocussing between shots. I know the EM1 was like this but I'm pretty sure they changed this with the update 3.0 (as long as you selected 9fps and slower), so I'm surprised that the Mark II doesn't re-focus between shots. Mind you, if continuous lo goes up to 10fps you don't really need more than that :)

With regards to what I mean about viewing real time is that with continuous high the image you see in the viewfinder is the shot you've just taken, so you are always behind the action so to speak. Granted at 9fps (on the EM1) that's only potentially 1/9th behind (plus blackout) but when you're panning cars at 120+mph from a close distance that can make a difference. With continuous low you are seeing the actual live view through the viewfinder (barring the tiny EVF lag) and so it's much closer to what you'd see when shooting with a DSLR. There's still blackout, but you obviously get that with DSLR too and I'm used to that, it doesn't interrupt me following the target. Not seeing an 'up to date' image in the viewfinder makes this very difficult for me. I'm sure with practice you just get used to it and make allowances, but as I swap from DSLR to M4/3 it's not an easy transition.

Anyway, I've figured out how to see the real time view in sequential shooting now so that's fine. I'll give it a go next time I'm at Donington :)

blu-by-u 31st January 2019 08:42 AM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Nice shots Birdboy. I still find the CAF not up to expectations. I have not used other brands but the CAF did BTW, I replied with some examples to the other thread.

snerkler 31st January 2019 02:10 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
OK so I've heard back from Olympus and they have confirmed that the EM1-II works in the same way as the Mark I in that when using continuous high you will "see the previous frame in the viewfinder and not the real time view", however when shooting in continuous low you will see the real time view.

Whilst I find it odd that Olympus don't mention this in any of literature (not to my knowledge anyway) it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. 10fps (mechanical) is more than enough for me, I don't want endless shots of the same thing and I've been more than happy with my D850 at 9fps :)

I think I've made my mind up that I'm going to upgrade, now just need to see what my Mark I's worth.

Steambuff 31st January 2019 03:00 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Some/Most dealers are offering a 200 bonus when you buy a Mark 2 and you also trade in. (This is on top of the normal trade in price)

SRS list the Mark 2 at 1399 ... but give you a 200 bonus ... So only 1199. [Not sure how long this lasts]

snerkler 31st January 2019 03:37 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steambuff (Post 470404)
Some/Most dealers are offering a 200 bonus when you buy a Mark 2 and you also trade in. (This is on top of the normal trade in price)

SRS list the Mark 2 at 1399 ... but give you a 200 bonus ... So only 1199. [Not sure how long this lasts]

Thanks, I've seen that offer but I think that's cheaper than other places. However, I'll not say where else I've been looking as it might be frowned upon on this forum ;)

MJ224 31st January 2019 04:49 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snerkler (Post 470413)
Thanks, I've seen that offer but I think that's cheaper than other places. However, I'll not say where else I've been looking as it might be frowned upon on this forum ;)

Nothing wrong with grey imports, certainly for lenses. Camera bodies, though, must be more likely to go wrong. Even then most suppliers will have a warranty of some sort....:mad:

snerkler 31st January 2019 05:40 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 470429)
Nothing wrong with grey imports, certainly for lenses. Camera bodies, though, must be more likely to go wrong. Even then most suppliers will have a warranty of some sort....:mad:

TBH I'm not sure why bodies are more likely to go wrong, they all come from the same factory, at least Canon and Nikon do. Places like Panamoz offer very good warranty though.

MJ224 31st January 2019 05:42 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snerkler (Post 470439)
TBH I'm not sure why bodies are more likely to go wrong, they all come from the same factory, at least Canon and Nikon do. Places like Panamoz offer very good warranty though.

Logically they have many more moving parts which are tuned together. But admit lenses have many moving parts as well......*chr

snerkler 31st January 2019 05:46 PM

Re: Considering upgrading to the Mark II and have a few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 470442)
Logically they have many more moving parts which are tuned together. But admit lenses have many moving parts as well......*chr

Ahh I see what you mean now, I thought you meant grey bodies were more likely to go wrong that EU ones :o


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