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Dave in Wales 12th July 2015 05:44 AM

Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
I'm considering letting the Oly go and replacing it with a Panasonic 14-45mm f3.5-5.6.

Why, because the 12-40 is just TOOOO BIG AND HEAVY.

I don't really need f2.8.

I've had the the Panny 14-45 before, years ago, beautiful little lens.

'Little'...isn't that what M4/3 is supposed to be all about?

benvendetta 12th July 2015 06:39 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
I wouldn't change my 12-40 for anything! As for its size, it may not be as small as the kit lenses but it certainly isn't large, to me at least (I came from 43rds and an e3 and ZD Zuikos). The size is perfect for the em1. Mind you, the 40-150 Pro is quite bulky and despite convincing my wife that it was loads smaller than the 43rds 50-200 that it replaced, I don't think the difference is that great. However, It is a brilliant lens, as is the 12-40 and f2.8 is pretty important for low light and getting shallow dof and is the reason why they are larger than their kit lens equivalents. These two lenses, plus my humunguss (you wouldn't like it, lol) 7-14 plus mmf3 are the mainstays of my em1 kit.
The m43rds Pro equipment is near on perfect for me.

m-888-khan 12th July 2015 09:10 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
you can also change it to panasonic 12-35,but if you don't need f2.8 then 14-45 is best lens

pvasc 12th July 2015 09:19 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
I like the 12-40mm, can't afford one, but I like it. I did a very quick test comparing it with the 14-45mm at SWPP. Not much in it, but as I said a it was very quick, and I think I may have move a bit when I shot with it. I find it hard to settle down at those shows and really investigate the product. But over all the result did not make me want to rush out and buy one, I was hoping it would.

pvasc 12th July 2015 09:26 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
I, if needed, have been known to run the 14-54mm on the M10. Not really a problem with size, but I do carry by the lens, and support the camera at all times. Don't trust the adapter.

martyjward 12th July 2015 09:48 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Gotta agree with benvendetta the pro lenses are worth the extra weight & size. Just wish my skills could make the most of them.

pdk42 12th July 2015 10:11 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
The size of the 12-40 is on the big side, I agree. Whilst the 14-45 is smaller and IQ pretty good, you'll lose 2mm at the wide end and up to 2 stops of light gathering. For me, these would be problems unless I was treating the zoom only as a casual, daytime walkabout lens. If you're planning to use a standard range zoom for more serious use then lenses like the 14-45 aren't really ideal. Take a look at the 12-35 first - it's notably smaller and lighter than the 12-40.

pvasc 12th July 2015 10:17 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
And they tend to let in water and dust. (14-45mm)

zuiko-holic 12th July 2015 10:18 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Wales (Post 351806)
'Little'...isn't that what M4/3 is supposed to be all about?

Not exactly.
m4/3 is supposed to be smaller than regular 4/3 which was supposed to be smaller than competitive crop systems and FF.

https://francescophoto.files.wordpre...7_top-lens.jpg
https://francescophoto.files.wordpre...d_top-lens.jpg
https://francescophoto.files.wordpre...0_top-lens.jpg
https://francescophoto.files.wordpre...0_top-lens.jpg


https://francescophoto.files.wordpre.../confronto.jpg

One cannot just use terms like "little" and "small" out of context.
The terms are relative and you have to compare to what are the other options. And the pictures above really show how small the Zuiko 12-40 is.
If size is all that matters, then we would probably use pocket cameras or our smartphones.

True, the Zuiko 12-40 could probably be a bit smaller and lighter but that would mean worse construction quality (don't forget it is a weather-proof and all-metal lens).
A lens of this caliber is supposed to be of top quality so it can match the quality of a professional camera body (and with the battery grip attached).
I've used a friend's E-M1+HLD-7 with this lens it actually brought balance to the Force! Awesome combination...

I totally agree that the Lumix 14-45 is a wonderful lens, but it cannot really match the Zuiko 12-40 in any aspect.

Ricoh 12th July 2015 10:25 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pvasc (Post 351835)
I, if needed, have been known to run the 14-54mm on the M10. Not really a problem with size, but I do carry by the lens, and support the camera at all times. Don't trust the adapter.

What adapter are you using? I have the 14-54 MkII with MMF-1 (both up for sale, incidentally) the adapter is as solid as metal can be, it feels like a natural extension of the lens.

Ricoh 12th July 2015 10:33 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Relating to the statement above that the 12-40 is metallic, yes it is, but only superficially. The internal bulk is plastic, and the metalic lens mount is screwed into the plastic inner body (without inserts to spread the load!!!).

Bikie John 12th July 2015 11:39 AM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Wales (Post 351806)
'Little'...isn't that what M4/3 is supposed to be all about?

No.

It is not what m43 is ALL about.

The architecture means that for some applications it can be small. We have small kit lenses, I think there is a pancake and even some of the fast primes are tiny compared to the opposition. However, it doesn't mean that everything HAS TO be small. If you want long and/or fast it is inevitably going to be big - that is just the laws of physics and as we all know, ye canna change them, cap'n.

M4/3 means that if you want small you can have it. You will have to make compromises like maximum aperture - so if you don't need f/2.8 you can indeed get a smaller lens. It has taken a while but I think that m4/3 has delivered on its promise, offering small lightweight options where possible but still offering a more-or-less full system for those who want it. And there some outstanding gems such as the much-admired 45mm f/1.8 - compare that with 35mm-format equivalents and you will immediately see how much has been achieved.

John

Zuiko 12th July 2015 12:06 PM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Wales (Post 351806)
I'm considering letting the Oly go and replacing it with a Panasonic 14-45mm f3.5-5.6.

Why, because the 12-40 is just TOOOO BIG AND HEAVY.

I don't really need f2.8.

I've had the the Panny 14-45 before, years ago, beautiful little lens.

'Little'...isn't that what M4/3 is supposed to be all about?

I've got a Panny 14-45mm, I'll do a straight swap with you! :D

Ross the fiddler 12th July 2015 12:22 PM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 351846)
What adapter are you using? I have the 14-54 MkII with MMF-1 (both up for sale, incidentally) the adapter is as solid as metal can be, it feels like a natural extension of the lens.

I think (but could be wrong) that the MMF-1 is a metal adapter while the MMF-3 appears to be plastic in the body (not the mounts), which could make the MMF-1 more desirable (except for the weight). I'd be happy to be corrected on that though.

pvasc 12th July 2015 01:01 PM

Re: Oly 12-40 Pro 'out'..Panny 14-45 'in'..well maybe.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricoh (Post 351846)
What adapter are you using? I have the 14-54 MkII with MMF-1 (both up for sale, incidentally) the adapter is as solid as metal can be, it feels like a natural extension of the lens.

I have the MMF-2. Didn't realize the _1 was metal. The lens is the Mk1 version. Apparently for m4/3's have have the wrong lenses....14-54 Mk1 and 50-20mm Mk2. Should be the other way around.


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