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wornish 12th July 2019 10:01 AM

Climate Change - Latest
 
Scientists in Finland found "practically no anthropogenic [man-made] climate change" after a series of studies.

“During the last hundred years the temperature increased about 0.1°C because of carbon dioxide. The human contribution was about 0.01°C”, the Finnish researchers bluntly state in one among a series of papers.

This has been collaborated by a team at Kobe University in Japan, which has furthered the Finnish researchers' theory.

You can get the paper here:

No Experimental Evidence for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf


This will probably be ignored as it doesnt fit the political view.

pdk42 12th July 2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 485298)

This will probably be ignored as it doesnt fit the political view.

It also doesn't fit 99% of the other evidence or informed opinion. I'll also add that the paper is not peer-reviewed either so we need to take anything it says with a pinch of salt until it's subjected to scrutiny.

TimP 12th July 2019 10:35 AM

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So these scientists are right and all the others wrong? I know some will be right and others wrong but it’s not like we are seeing any extremes of weather or glaciers retreating is it.

Jim Ford 12th July 2019 11:04 AM

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So let's take a chance and go with the study mentioned - it's not as if anything serious could happen if 50 years on people say 'Oops - we got it wrong'!

Jim

Otto 12th July 2019 11:46 AM

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I blame the unicorns.

TimP 12th July 2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto (Post 485308)
I blame the unicorns.

Yeah, with their fancy pants rainbows and all!

Zuiko 12th July 2019 05:48 PM

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I wonder which oil company financed this research? :D

TimP 12th July 2019 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuiko (Post 485315)
I wonder which oil company financed this research? :D

Obviously whichever ones not seen the writing on the wall.

wornish 12th July 2019 09:18 PM

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Perhaps having an open mind and reading the actual report might help some.

Any criticism with facts is just ignored because it doesn't follow the agreed line. The report actually has been peer reviewed and endorsed by scientists in Japan, but let us ignore that.

The key point is the earth's climate does change - of course, it does, it always has and will continue to change regardless of what we humans do.

But, it's more down to nature than man!........ but that cant be said.

The UK targetting zero carbon emissions in such a short timeframe will cost this country ŁTrillions! A bit more than the figure on the Brexit bus but that's one big legacy Parliament simply voted through recently. It will do diddly-squat to solve climate change - but heh-oh aren't we great and green just look at us. Hmmmm!

pdk42 12th July 2019 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 485322)
Perhaps having an open mind and reading the actual report might help some.

Any criticism with facts is just ignored because it doesn't follow the agreed line. The report actually has been peer reviewed and endorsed by scientists in Japan, but let us ignore that.

The key point is the earth's climate does change - of course, it does, it always has and will continue to change regardless of what we humans do.

But, it's more down to nature than man!........ but that cant be said.

The UK targetting zero carbon emissions in such a short timeframe will cost this country ŁTrillions! A bit more than the figure on the Brexit bus but that's one big legacy Parliament simply voted through recently. It will do diddly-squat to solve climate change - but heh-oh aren't we great and green just look at us. Hmmmm!

Do you also believe in a flat earth?, that the moon landings didn't happen?, that vaccines are a conspiracy by the pharma companies?, that 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA stitch up?, that the two Russians who visited Salisbury last year were really there to see the Cathedral?, that evolution is an unproven theory?, that God created the Earth 6000 years ago and placed fossils in the rocks to fool us?, that Elvis is still alive?, that smoking doesn't cause cancer?

I'm guessing you'll say no to those - but the argument for climate change denial is no stronger than that for any of those things.

The AGW hypothesis is proven beyond all reasonable doubt Dave - you're just in denial. The paper you quoted is a long way from being a definitive work. Neither author is an expert on climate science and the paper is not peer reviewed. The sources are scant and mostly refer to their own previous papers. I'd bet that there will be detailed rebuttals of it by the wider community over the next few days.


If you really want to understand why the sceptics are wrong, this is an interesting article - https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ics-are-wrong/

wornish 13th July 2019 06:43 AM

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Seems the majority here are happy to pay the Łtrillion committed by the UK parliament to get to zero emissions - for what benefit?

Last time I checked we create less than 2% of global CO2 emissions in the world so our "gesture" will achieve what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...xide_emissions

Walti 13th July 2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 485338)
Seems the majority here are happy to pay the Łtrillion committed by the UK parliament to get to zero emissions - for what benefit?

Last time I checked we create less than 2% of global CO2 emissions in the world so our "gesture" will achieve what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...xide_emissions

Dave,

Regardless of the source of the climate change we are currently seeing, the economic benefits to the country are huge which is more the reason that the greening of our energy supply has been agreed so readily by our government. The security of having home grown energy, in the form of renewables reduces our reliance on imported energy from Holland, France, Poland, Norway and Russia. The increased job opportunities are also a boost to the economy which should allow the UK to ride the storm that Brexit may create, so yes I’m happy to see it spent.

The other work that has gone alongside the greening of the supplies is the massive energy reduction due to the newer technologies such as LED lighting - the economic benefits of this are massive - even Nigel Lawson agrees with this being good for the country, even though he is a strong anti climate change advocate.

So while the human element can be dismissed if you wish to, it really doesn’t matter - it’s money well spent!

Jim Ford 13th July 2019 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 485338)
Seems the majority here are happy to pay the Łtrillion committed by the UK parliament to get to zero emissions - for what benefit?

I'm happy to pay (but not for all of it ;)

Call it insurance. The penalty for getting it wrong is massive disruption of the World's climate, with the associated effect on the economies and mass extinction. The penalty for getting it grossly wrong could result in the extinction of humanity!

But heigh-ho - let's take a chance, eh!

Jim

wornish 13th July 2019 11:48 AM

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Can someone please explain why if we reduce our 2% to zero the climate will stop changing when everyone else carries on.

TimP 13th July 2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wornish (Post 485351)
Can someone please explain why if we reduce our 2% to zero the climate will stop changing when everyone else carries on.

But is that a reason to continue to pollute the planet we live on? Surely nothing wrong in trying to clean up our act.


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