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Naughty Nigel 10th August 2019 10:38 PM

Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
According to government legislation the sale of ICE (internal combustion engine) cars will be illegal from 2040 onwards, or earlier if environmental pressure groups get their way. Lorries, buses and even ferries will also become increasingly reliant on electricity.

There is pressure on government to electrify more and more of our railway network, and more recently, moves to ban the installation of mains gas supplies to newbuild houses for at least five years after completion - all in a bid to force householders to cook and heat with electricity which is claimed to be more eco-friendly than gas, but costs around five times as much per KW/Hr of energy.

Then yesterday the near simultaneous failure of two generators; one of which was an offshore wind farm with too much wind, resulted in paralysis of several areas around the country including much of central London, Ipswich, Newcastle-upon-Tyne and our railway network. BBC Report

Rather than rely entirely on electricity for our energy needs I would rather have more independence and redundancy in our supply network. We have seen that a bit of wind can paralyse our railways by bringing down short lengths of overhead power lines - a problem that diesels simply don't have, whilst even short term power cuts tend to have much longer term effects.

I would also have thought that there were more intelligent ways of reducing load on the grid than by randomly cutting off whole areas of the country.

With more and more demand on the grid things will only get worse. I cannot see the point of imposing fines on the National Grid or individual generators when it is in their interests to maintain supply and sell electricity.

wornish 11th August 2019 07:18 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
Our energy strategy as a country is nonexistent.

We have civil servants and government ministers all trying to be green without thinking through the consequences.

No one seems to be prepared to invest in building the right infrastructure.

Instead, they make knee jerk decisions like hitting Diesel car owners with extra taxes after spending the last 10 years encouraging people to drive them. Then they act surprised that the car industry is struggling.

MJ224 11th August 2019 07:29 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
I will have to check to see if my Em1 ii will run on gas...………….*chr

Jax 11th August 2019 07:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 487515)
I will have to check to see if my Em1 ii will run on gas...………….*chr

Good thinking there MJ. Nice to see you've got your prorities in order. *yes

Jax

Wally 11th August 2019 08:45 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
Even going geen has it's long-term implications... perhaps longships and tall mast sailing is the 'green way' way to go??? Instead of Land Rovers we will be using Land Schooners. Should make the school runs much more interesting methinks? ;) The search for blue gold --> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49265455

Wally 11th August 2019 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 487515)
I will have to check to see if my Em1 ii will run on gas...………….*chr


Careful... you could become what is known as an 'arty-farty.' ;)

Graham_of_Rainham 11th August 2019 09:12 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
There’s a lot of interesting development in Hydrogen fuelled systems.

But where does one get the Hydrogen?

https://www.powermag.com/high-volume...es-take-shape/

wornish 11th August 2019 09:13 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
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Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 487515)
I will have to check to see if my Em1 ii will run on gas...………….*chr

Alternatively, you could attach a mini wind turbine to the hot shoe. Then you can take pictures outside as long as the winds blowing. If there is no wind or you are indoors, then just take a deep breath and blow on the turbine while you take the picture.

Naughty Nigel 11th August 2019 11:37 AM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wornish (Post 487511)
Our energy strategy as a country is nonexistent.

We have civil servants and government ministers all trying to be green without thinking through the consequences.

No one seems to be prepared to invest in building the right infrastructure.

Instead, they make knee jerk decisions like hitting Diesel car owners with extra taxes after spending the last 10 years encouraging people to drive them. Then they act surprised that the car industry is struggling.

You have it spot on there.

Likewise closing down large parts of the railway network and building new houses where there is no public transport and then wondering why nobody uses public transport.

Fifty years on from Beeching they realise their mistake and are taxing us for it!

shenstone 11th August 2019 02:05 PM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
The simple answer is probably, but more that we expect it to be on all the time and delivered to us

We don't worry so much

Mind you we have 20 cubic metres of seasoned wood for the stove, a few paraffin and gas stoves and lamps for our camping, a solar panel on the camper van and a decent 4G signal outside if the power to the router is off :)

Regards
Andy

OM USer 11th August 2019 02:23 PM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
Regardless of the fuel used (diesel, petrol, LPG, hydrogen, wind, electricity, water turbine) you will always need a portable method of storage and supply for when the delivery chain mechanism fails eg: generator failure or other outage, lack of wind, disrupted power lines, broken gas mains. That is why diesel, petrol, and avgas are so useful. They are reasonably lightweight, enegry dense, and can be stored easily. I can not yet imagine a goods train of hundreds of tons being pulled by batteries let alone a passenger plane. You can use pumped water storage to manage supply/demand and storage but its not very portable.

Tram 11th August 2019 03:03 PM

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Steampunk here we come

Wee man 11th August 2019 03:21 PM

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Clock work cameras with gyros to cut down vibrations?

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Harold Gough 11th August 2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ224 (Post 487515)
I will have to check to see if my Em1 ii will run on gas...………….*chr

Or you could point your lens at the sun to recharge?

Harold

DerekW 11th August 2019 07:53 PM

Re: Do We Rely Too Much on Electricity?
 
Using semaphore to run forums such as this would slow down the build up of dissent


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