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pdk42 28th December 2017 10:03 PM

Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
I spent a few hours today walking about Lille with my Pen F (black model :)) and a few primes in a small Think Tank bag (12, 17, 25 and 45). Not only was the experience of taking the shots hugely enjoyable, but viewing the results later on the PC screen brings a great deal of satisfaction too.

The optical quality of these little lenses really is great and they pair so well with the Pen. I'm so impressed with the resulting images - many taken in very challenging light (bright winter sunshine, so deep shadows and bright highlights). The 20Mp sensor definitely does better at DR (shot raw) and together with some multi shot HDR (rapidly taken with high speed electronic shutter) it's amazing what can be done.

Anyhow here are a few shots which I think show my point:

Alley Cat - massive DR. Single shot and a bit overexposed. I managed to drag back the highlights a lot in LR though so whilst there are still some burnt-out areas around the cat's snout, it's still a useable image. 17mm f1.8 at f2.5:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4731/...476e04fd_b.jpg
Alley Cat by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

Cathedral Ceiling - again massive DR, but this time I shot 3 frames one stop apart and then merged them in LR. I'm very pleased with the final image and the colours and tones in it. 45mm at f4:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4731/...89dea6bc_b.jpg
Ceiling at Notre Dame de la Treille by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

Street in Lille - massive DR again and another 3 shot sequence. 17mm at f4 and sharp corner to corner:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4737/...9c7fbb7a_b.jpg
A Street in Lille by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

Girl Gang - taken in fading light at ISO 800. Face detect with the 17mm at f1.8 and very much grabbed so I'm amazed it's as sharp as it is. Electronic shutter with the camera at waist height also meant no one even realised I'd taken a shot:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/...f1b6d332_b.jpg
Girl Gang by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

Paradise in Lille - single shot with high DR. I exposed for the highlights which meant the shot OOC was nearly black over all the foreground. I have used all the tricks I know in LR to get it to look "natural". The noise levels are excellent considering what I've done to it. It's also hand held at 1/10s and is completely free of camera shake. I used such a long exposure to stop visible streaks from water dripping from the edge of the cave roof above. 12mm at f11 (small aperture so I could drag the shutter. It's also shot at ISO 80):

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4737/...845d2571_b.jpg
Petit coin de paradis a Lille by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

When I see people complaining that the m43 sensor is too small to deliver top rate IQ I think it's because they've never tried.

Olybirder 28th December 2017 10:30 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Very impressive results Paul. I love the street scenes but has nobody told you that the 17mm f1.8 is not a sharp lens? ;) :) I really must dig mine out again as it is a great lens.

Ron

Phill D 29th December 2017 10:24 AM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Excellent set of images Paul. I too definitely don't use my 17mm enough. I call it my museum lens as that's what I tend to use it for but it's much more useful than that as you just proved. Certainly seems sharp to me.

drmarkf 29th December 2017 12:28 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
A fantastic demo of the system's capabilities. Have you thought of doing an article for the Oly mag?

>> When I see people complaining that the m43 sensor is too small to deliver top rate IQ I think it's because they've never tried. <<

There's also an element of 'fear' involved, as a result of the already heavily-invested mindset of many of our still-mirrored colleagues :)

People are beginning to sit up and take notice, however. In our camera club PDI and print competitions an increasing proportion of winning and placed images are taken on m4/3.

Not only the traditional genres, either: one of my M1ii/300/1.4 images of a sedge warbler got 2 Firsts in club and regional competitions in the past few months from 'specialist' wildlife judges against mainly full-frame canikon competition, and I'm very far from being alone in this.

'How good image quality do you need for the majority of your intended use?' is the correct question to ask before weighing yourself down with glass and metal.

Simon Bee 29th December 2017 09:35 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Paul,

Your attached images admirably show what this stunning camera and the wonderful Oly primes are capable of. It is without a shadow of doubt the best 'all round' digital camera I have owned. The IQ is superb, ok it may not be to the same level as a 39MP Hasselblad I once owned ( not a lot is ) but it's more than good enough for me in reality, and at 1/10th of the cost of that 'blad a darn site better value too.

I would say 'for me' it is 99% perfect .... not 100%? ... well nothing is truly perfect. With regard to lenses, your selection makes perfect sense with the Pen-F and is the same as mine. These small primes are wonderful and are the perfect balance for the camera, the 75mm f1.8 is just about 'do-able' but starting to get a little ungainly hence I sold mine though I do sometimes wish I still had it.

Travelling light I pack one body with 25mm attached and the 12 & 45 'stacked' in a Billingham Hadley Digital, a satchel that is very compact, about 2/3rd the size of the Hadley Small I sold to you. Travelling 'fully loaded' I have one body with the 17mm attached, the other with the 45mm attached, the 12, 25 & FL14 all in another albeit slightly larger satchel.

The M4/3 system has really come of age in recent years and the remaining 'nay-sayers' have either not tried it or cannot come to terms with the fact that regarding IQ the 4/3 sensor is now able to compete more often than not with their system.

Back to your images ..... they are excellent.

Simon

super_claret 4th January 2018 08:29 AM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Excellent images Paul. I'm waiting for my new Pen F to be delivered today and hope, weather permitting to get out at the weekend and try it out.

Regarding the primes...I have noticed with my 25mm f1.8, when close focusing and shooting f1.8, that it suffers from purple and green fringing. The purple is easily corrected but I can't seem to budge the green in LR. Have you noticed anything similar?

pdk42 4th January 2018 09:12 AM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by super_claret (Post 436588)
Excellent images Paul. I'm waiting for my new Pen F to be delivered today and hope, weather permitting to get out at the weekend and try it out.

It's a great camera - I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by super_claret (Post 436588)
Regarding the primes...I have noticed with my 25mm f1.8, when close focusing and shooting f1.8, that it suffers from purple and green fringing. The purple is easily corrected but I can't seem to budge the green in LR. Have you noticed anything similar?

I think it's what's called LOCA - Longitudinal CA and it's not uncommon on fast primes. You'll see it on OOF areas when shooting at or near max aperture. You could try some local desaturation with the brush in LR, but I think that's abut all you can do. I don't normally find it a big issue.

snaarman 8th February 2018 02:10 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Well I joined the Pen F and primes club myself this week with the 12 and 45. (I had the 75 for a while but TBH I wasn't using it that much). Time to stir myself, get out and get some nice pictures with this setup.

The Pen will also get used with zooms as well I confess, the 7-14 and the 14-45 are my favourites.

Anyway: I have a Pen question. How do I get it to make the raw version of the hi-res image: The 80Mp result. I have LF and raw enabled, but I don't see any fancy big raw files on the memory card thus far.

And having downloaded Oly viewer 3, I assume that is the only way to "develop" the big raw file.

Pete

snaarman 8th February 2018 02:45 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
OK, I sorted it out by reading the manual, and setting the camera correctly.

The LF+raw doesn't switch raw on with the Hi resolution mode. That is a different action.

Meanwhile, I also discover that Adobe DNG converter V10 handles the ORI special raw file so you can get your giant DNG (45Mb) without using Oly viewer 3.

I also discover that this process:

High res mode to raw to DNG, then light sharpen, down size from 80Mp to 20Mp (i.e. 50% of linear dimension) with more light sharpening then convert to JPG

results in a visibly sharper image than the native High res JPG.

Excellent. Now where's my tripod?

Pete

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaarman (Post 439338)
Anyway: I have a Pen question. How do I get it to make the raw version of the hi-res image: The 80Mp result. I have LF and raw enabled, but I don't see any fancy big raw files on the memory card thus far.

And having downloaded Oly viewer 3, I assume that is the only way to "develop" the big raw file.

Pete


AMc 8th February 2018 05:56 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snaarman (Post 439338)
I have LF and raw enabled, but I don't see any fancy big raw files on the memory card thus far.

FWIW If you haven't come across Robin Wong's cheat sheet for the OMD then I'd have a read as he paid some attention to JPG set up.

If you want to use JPG straight out of the camera then enabling Super Fine is worth enabling - I'd guess the PEN-F has the same hidden setting as the OM-D
https://robinwong.blogspot.co.uk/201...eat-sheet.html

pdk42 8th February 2018 06:28 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Pete - with JPEG and raw enabled you'll get three files:

- JPG - a hi-res jpeg
- ORF - a hi-res raw
- ORI - a normal-res raw - actually the first frame of the 8-frame sequence

You can use bits of the ORI file to paint over areas of movement in the ORF file. Photoshop allows you to do this quite easily using a layer mask.

Lightroom natively supports the hi-res ORF file BTW, so you don't have to struggle with OV3.

snaarman 8th February 2018 06:56 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pdk42 (Post 439362)
Pete - with JPEG and raw enabled you'll get three files:

- JPG - a hi-res jpeg
- ORF - a hi-res raw
- ORI - a normal-res raw - actually the first frame of the 8-frame sequence

You can use bits of the ORI file to paint over areas of movement in the ORF file. Photoshop allows you to do this quite easily using a layer mask.

Lightroom natively supports the hi-res ORF file BTW, so you don't have to struggle with OV3.

Useful tip there, painting over - though I think ORF is the normal res raw file and ORI is the high res one. ###Edit###No, I'm wrong. The ORF is the big one, and ORI is the regular one. That's confusing. My E-M5 regular raw files are ORF.

Thanks

Pete

pdk42 8th February 2018 07:05 PM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by snaarman (Post 439364)
Useful tip there, painting over - though I think ORF is the normal res raw file and ORI is the high res one.

Thanks

Pete

I'm pretty sure that the ORF is the hi-res and the ORI the normal res.

Otto 9th February 2018 09:20 AM

Re: Happiness is.. a Pen F and a few small primes
 
DxO Photolab also supports the hi-res .ORF files.


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