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    It's no secret that Olympus has what is being billed as an important launch event next week at Photokina and I will be there.

    The rumour is that it will be the OM-D E-M1 Mk ii. This time three years ago I had already had several weeks of hands-on knowledge of the E-M1 having been to Japan to meet the designer and the engineers at Olympus. This year Olympus hasn't even issued an embargoed press release so I know as much as you do.

    Never mind, I will do my best to get the salient information to you as fast as I can. So, here is the plan: I will prepare an article with a list of proposed features that people are expecting the new camera to have. During the event I will tick (or cross) each listed feature item and post the list online as soon as it's completed. I will follow up later with a more descriptive article.

    The question is, what features should I list?! Most answers will be yes or no but some will be a number.

    Here are a few of my own suggestions:

    Dual card slots
    Support for UHS-II cards
    Integrated GPS
    4K video support
    4K stills support
    20 megapixel sensor
    Increased number of phase detect AF points
    How many PD AF points?
    Inclusion of cross-type phase detect AF points
    How many cross-type AF points?
    Absence of conventional mechanical focal plane shutter
    USB 3.0 data port
    DisplayPort port
    Bluetooth support
    NFC support
    Side-hinged articulating display
    Enhanced multi-touch user interface (with pinch to zoom, etc.)
    Custom settings that can be named
    Custom settings that can be exported/imported

    The list should concentrate on new features. So what would you propose be added to this list?

    When I was in Japan three years ago I did talk at length about my personal ambition to see a camera with a much more modular design, with a central lens mount/sensor unit that could be mixed and matched with a variety of grips, displays and viewfinders. I can only dream that some if this may have been taken onboard!

    Over to you!

    Ian
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    Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

    New Menu system ?
    Dave

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    • #3
      Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

      Originally posted by wornish View Post
      New Menu system ?
      Olympus gets a bad rap for its menu system but I do wonder if that's mainly from people new to the system?

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        Things I would like to see compared with the E-M1 Mark I:

        Better battery management. The in-camera gauge of full/half-full/CHANGE ME NOW is both inadequate and inaccurate. The chargers don't give any useful indication either. This has always been a problem with Olys and I suspect has been good for sales of third-party chargers. I have other cameras and Hahnel chargers which can give much more useful and reliable info on charge status.

        Ability to use without rear screen at all - the Mark 1 is almost there, can do settings and image review through the EVF, but the rear panel still has a residual glow which is a pain in a dark theatre/concert venue. I would like the option of turning it off altogether.

        Better performance at high ISO. I don't feel any need to go higher than it does (I don't even know what the upper limit is nowadays), but would certainly appreciate better rendering at the higher end. I use 3200 fairly regularly and it's not too bad, but sometimes I need 6400, at which point the image is falling to bits.

        And I know this is out of your original spec, but - please can we have a reasonably compact, fast, weathersealed prime lens. I would love something like a weathersealed Oly version of the lovely Panny 20mm f/1.7.

        Thanks Ian and good luck!

        John

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        • #5
          Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

          Originally posted by Bikie John View Post
          Things I would like to see compared with the E-M1 Mark I:

          Better battery management. The in-camera gauge of full/half-full/CHANGE ME NOW is both inadequate and inaccurate. The chargers don't give any useful indication either. This has always been a problem with Olys and I suspect has been good for sales of third-party chargers. I have other cameras and Hahnel chargers which can give much more useful and reliable info on charge status.

          Ability to use without rear screen at all - the Mark 1 is almost there, can do settings and image review through the EVF, but the rear panel still has a residual glow which is a pain in a dark theatre/concert venue. I would like the option of turning it off altogether.

          Better performance at high ISO. I don't feel any need to go higher than it does (I don't even know what the upper limit is nowadays), but would certainly appreciate better rendering at the higher end. I use 3200 fairly regularly and it's not too bad, but sometimes I need 6400, at which point the image is falling to bits.

          And I know this is out of your original spec, but - please can we have a reasonably compact, fast, weathersealed prime lens. I would love something like a weathersealed Oly version of the lovely Panny 20mm f/1.7.

          Thanks Ian and good luck!

          John
          Of course a side-mounted articulating screen would sort that problem out I was a bit disappointed when I originally learned that the screen was LCD rather than OLED; the latter would be completely dark.

          Ian
          Last edited by Ian; 12th September 2016, 07:26 PM.
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            Hand-help hi-res mode is my top-priority feature I'm looking for.
            Paul
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            • #7
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              Better Video control, like being able to change Aperture when recording. +1 for the Better high ISO Performance.

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              • #8
                Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                Originally posted by Ian View Post
                Of course a side-mounted articulating screen would sort that problem out I was a bit disappointed when I originally learned that the screen was LCD rather than OLED; the latter would be completely dark.

                Ian
                Thanks Ian, it would indeed. Or possibly even sort it out

                John

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                  In the last few years M4/3 sensor noise sensitivity has dramatically improved with higher and higher 'useable' ISO yet many still feel it's the systems Achilles heel. Personally I have little use for super high ISO ( Tri X film is fast to me ), however and this only my opinion a step forward in this area would be to drop back to 12MP

                  The larger photons of a 12MP sensor on the latest generation sensors would surely produce cleaner higher ISO and lets face it 12MP is more than enough in most instances, the E-1 and it's 5MP still rocks if the light is good

                  Maybe the answer would be to follow Sony ..... a high MP body for those who need ( or should I say 'want' ) it and a 12MP version for those who want cleaner high ISO. I don't think for one minute that is what will be delivered, but hey, would be nice.

                  Yes to dual card slots, articulated screen, high res mode, more PD AF Points, the rest would be of little importance to me, though I appreciate many would find them useful perhaps even essential.

                  Kind regards, Simon
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                  • #10
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                    All the above. Also because mirrorless is power hungry, then a grip that actually uses two batteries within. I personally never place a battery in the camera. Screen isolation as and when needed.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                      Originally posted by Simon Bee View Post
                      In the last few years M4/3 sensor noise sensitivity has dramatically improved with higher and higher 'useable' ISO yet many still feel it's the systems Achilles heel. Personally I have little use for super high ISO ( Tri X film is fast to me ), however and this only my opinion a step forward in this area would be to drop back to 12MP

                      The larger photons of a 12MP sensor on the latest generation sensors would surely produce cleaner higher ISO and lets face it 12MP is more than enough in most instances, the E-1 and it's 5MP still rocks if the light is good

                      Maybe the answer would be to follow Sony ..... a high MP body for those who need ( or should I say 'want' ) it and a 12MP version for those who want cleaner high ISO. I don't think for one minute that is what will be delivered, but hey, would be nice.

                      Yes to dual card slots, articulated screen, high res mode, more PD AF Points, the rest would be of little importance to me, though I appreciate many would find them useful perhaps even essential.

                      Kind regards, Simon
                      I used to think that lower res = lower noise, but having read a few articles on it, and in fact looking at sensor evolution over the last 5 years or so, it seems that the evidence isn't there to show that - quite the opposite in fact. Except for extreme cases (like the A7s), the trend has been for higher Mp count AND lower noise. I hope this is true with future u43 sensors.

                      Sensor-shift hi-res is a proven way of delivering a number of big advantages:

                      - Higher resolution (obviously)
                      - More accurate colour
                      - No Moire
                      - Lower noise

                      Look at this comparison between the E-M5ii in HiRes mode to the E-M1 for proof:


                      ISO200:


                      ISO 1600:


                      If Oly can deliver this feature so that it's hand-holdable (or more precisely so that it'll complete the exposure in a relatively short time - say 1/30th sec) then I think it'll be a game-changer for many uses (landscape being a key one).
                      Paul
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                      • #12
                        Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                        A bit of a long shot but how about OM3/4-style multi-spot metering, much missed by me on digital

                        Cheers,

                        JohnGG

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                          Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                          Originally posted by JohnGG View Post
                          A bit of a long shot but how about OM3/4-style multi-spot metering, much missed by me on digital

                          Cheers,

                          JohnGG
                          With live view and under/over exposure blinkies, why would this be useful?
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                          • #14
                            Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                            Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
                            With live view and under/over exposure blinkies, why would this be useful?
                            Nostalgia. I used to exclusively use the spot metering on my OM4Ti and even more useful to me than the multi spot function (take too many spot readings and you end up with an average exposure anyway) was the ability to lock an exposure into the memory until you cancelled it. I rarely, if ever, use spot metering on my EM-5, the exception being when using ND grad filters and I want to balance the exposure of two or more points within the scene.
                            John

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                            • #15
                              Re: Rumoured E-M1 ii launch next week

                              I can see multi spot being implemented but rather think it would be a bit gimmicky. But still, it would fit in with the retro flavour of things

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