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    A rare venture into 'Looking For Perfection' for me.

    E-3, ZG35mm F3.5, EC1.4. Master, The GIMP

    Taken on the bank of the disused canal in Swindon, the canal water lends the background colour.

    Comments Please

    (Oh and what is the flower?)

    In Trepidation

    Nick
    Nick Temple-Fry

    Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

    www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
    www.temple-fry.co.uk

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    Re: A Little Beauty

    Great dynamic composition with excellent bokeh, except for three distracting bright patches on the right side of the image that need toning down or cloning. Otherwise, once you've got a name for the plant to use in a caption, it's publishable!

    Is this your usual stretch of canal again, Nick? I can see a Viewpoints comming on.........

    John
    John

    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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    • #3
      Re: A Little Beauty

      Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
      Great dynamic composition with excellent bokeh, except for three distracting bright patches on the right side of the image that need toning down or cloning. Otherwise, once you've got a name for the plant to use in a caption, it's publishable!

      Is this your usual stretch of canal again, Nick? I can see a Viewpoints comming on.........

      John
      Ah, these bright patches - are you seeing the 3 just to the right of the flower stem, in a rough triangle, or where the other stems cut across and back on the picture edge.

      I think it is the only stretch currently 'in-water' in Swindon (though there are plans), so yes, it is my usual stretch. I'm finding it very rewarding to concentrate most of my photography into a restricted area, the 'discipline' really makes me look for subjects and work on my technique.


      Thank you

      Nick
      Nick Temple-Fry

      Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

      www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
      www.temple-fry.co.uk

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      • #4
        Re: A Little Beauty

        Originally posted by Nick Temple-Fry View Post
        Ah, these bright patches - are you seeing the 3 just to the right of the flower stem, in a rough triangle, or where the other stems cut across and back on the picture edge.

        I think it is the only stretch currently 'in-water' in Swindon (though there are plans), so yes, it is my usual stretch. I'm finding it very rewarding to concentrate most of my photography into a restricted area, the 'discipline' really makes me look for subjects and work on my technique.


        Thank you

        Nick
        The bright patches where the other stems cut across and back on the picture edge. The other patches you mention I don't really find distracting.

        John
        John

        "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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        • #5
          Re: A Little Beauty

          Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
          The bright patches where the other stems cut across and back on the picture edge. The other patches you mention I don't really find distracting.

          John
          Ahh - like the carbuncle on the nose of a lover, you know it's there but only your friends can see it.

          Don't want to lose the whole nose so I think I'll have to try and tone it down a bit and maybe add blur. Worth a day or two to mull over I think.

          Thanks

          Nick
          Nick Temple-Fry

          Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

          www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
          www.temple-fry.co.uk

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            Well I've tried a bit of powder and paint. In this case cloning, blur and a low level of merge (about 25%) and in general titivated with the make-up brushes.

            Unfortunately I'm now seeing every pimple and the slightest suggestion of a blackhead, definetly time to leave alone for a while. However I have lost the 'burn' white on the rhs, and looking at 100% I can't see any induced artifacts or discontinuities.

            All pp in The GIMP.



            Dissapointed that we've had no offers on the name of the little flowers - come on you horticulturists, it is almost certainly a weed!

            Nick
            Nick Temple-Fry

            Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

            www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
            www.temple-fry.co.uk

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            • #7
              Re: A Little Beauty

              Originally posted by Nick Temple-Fry View Post
              Dissapointed that we've had no offers on the name of the little flowers - come on you horticulturists, it is almost certainly a weed!
              How about one of the Hemp Nettle family?

              Jim

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              • #8
                Re: A Little Beauty

                Originally posted by Jim Ford View Post
                How about one of the Hemp Nettle family?

                Jim
                Ah - good lead, a bit of a Google on the Hemp Nettle and a slide around its family tree suggests a Hedge Woundwort, educational pursuit this photography.

                Bit disappointed at the paucity of comments on the shot - either it's so bad that you are all scared I'll cry, or its nye on perfect and you are all jealous.

                My money is on the first.

                Nick
                Nick Temple-Fry

                Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

                www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
                www.temple-fry.co.uk

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                • #9
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                  Nick

                  On the ID I am afraid I lean towards books rather than google and wiki and if it is woundwort then an open flower to show the white markings would have helped. The colour of yours is far more attractively deep than the specimen I see here but everything else looks right and so it probably is.

                  I spent a while photographing it's near relative the yellow archangel at bluebell time and appreciate the shot you have for its good points. It is really hard to get a good specimen in the right light and without damage, bird crap etc. That said all you end up with is a botanical specimen shot - however good (and this is good).

                  How do you weave in its story? It has been known since ancient times as a medical plant, made into poultices and ointments to stem bleeding and act as an antiseptic. It was planted in monastery gardens and also churchyards. My book also says toads enjoy living in it's shade. It is a plant with a story to tell.

                  I have no real answer to my question, it is just I believe that there needs to be a story in really excellent photographs. What sets apart an image from others? Technical perfection is just a small part. And I believe you have that part sorted. Many of your other shots fill the story element far better - and as you know I am a supporter of your passionate photography of urban wildlife.

                  IT IS PERFECT but is it complete.

                  Peter
                  Peter (Art Frames)

                  You can see some of my things on Flickr

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                  • #10
                    Re: A Little Beauty

                    Originally posted by art frames View Post
                    Nick

                    On the ID I am afraid I lean towards books rather than google and wiki and if it is woundwort then an open flower to show the white markings would have helped. The colour of yours is far more attractively deep than the specimen I see here but everything else looks right and so it probably is.

                    I spent a while photographing it's near relative the yellow archangel at bluebell time and appreciate the shot you have for its good points. It is really hard to get a good specimen in the right light and without damage, bird crap etc. That said all you end up with is a botanical specimen shot - however good (and this is good).

                    How do you weave in its story? It has been known since ancient times as a medical plant, made into poultices and ointments to stem bleeding and act as an antiseptic. It was planted in monastery gardens and also churchyards. My book also says toads enjoy living in it's shade. It is a plant with a story to tell.

                    I have no real answer to my question, it is just I believe that there needs to be a story in really excellent photographs. What sets apart an image from others? Technical perfection is just a small part. And I believe you have that part sorted. Many of your other shots fill the story element far better - and as you know I am a supporter of your passionate photography of urban wildlife.

                    IT IS PERFECT but is it complete.

                    Peter
                    H'mmm - Guilty as charged I think, I just thought it was a beautiful little flower and wanted to make a pretty picture, can't do much better than that for a story other than it was an afternoon I devoted to looking for beauty in small things.

                    But there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'pretty', nor do I think that you suggested there was.

                    Yes, it is only a provisional identification as a Wound Wort, I too think it is darker than the references I have seen would suggest (but of course the flowers were curled and therefore denser). I'm happy, having been back, that the colour is pretty accurate. But I can't see anything much else that would match those leaves.

                    I'll be back to more documentary style when I get the chance, it's just that the coots/moorhens/mallards are onto repeat broods. There is a Little Grebe nest with eggs I'm watching, and a visiting heron that refuses to co-operate. I may as well photograph flowers whilst I wait for the unexpected.

                    Nick
                    Nick Temple-Fry

                    Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

                    www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
                    www.temple-fry.co.uk

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                    • #11
                      Re: A Little Beauty

                      Originally posted by Nick Temple-Fry View Post

                      But there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'pretty', nor do I think that you suggested there was.

                      I may as well photograph flowers whilst I wait for the unexpected.

                      Nick
                      Sorry Nick, I meant no offense. I enjoy pretty things too.

                      I think my thoughts are probably just as much about where I am in my own work. There are many butterflies I still photograph because I find them beautiful, amazing and my heart is touched. I enjoy that and it is therefore good for me - and an end in itself.

                      But when I share them with others - is that still enough? How do I convey what I see to others. I have tried to capture the more unusual moments and increase the photographic skill level. But what makes a nature shot perfect? When I look at the 'experts' who get published, what more do they have in their work...

                      In your work I do feel you have an insight and a story to tell. The coots and heron will probably show that much more for me.

                      I was in my own way encouraging you to do more of that (and then to post those as perfection). Which they are to me.

                      Peter
                      Peter (Art Frames)

                      You can see some of my things on Flickr

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                      • #12
                        Re: A Little Beauty

                        I think the problem is with the subject:

                        It's a dark flower, in shade and surrounded with darkish leaves. Without significant highlights with a trace of clear white, and shadows with a trace of solid black, and a range of tones between the two, - it's never going to have the sparkle (or the currently fashionable term 'pop' ) that grabs the attention.

                        Jim

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by art frames View Post
                          Sorry Nick, I meant no offense. I enjoy pretty things too.

                          I think my thoughts are probably just as much about where I am in my own work. There are many butterflies I still photograph because I find them beautiful, amazing and my heart is touched. I enjoy that and it is therefore good for me - and an end in itself.

                          But when I share them with others - is that still enough? How do I convey what I see to others. I have tried to capture the more unusual moments and increase the photographic skill level. But what makes a nature shot perfect? When I look at the 'experts' who get published, what more do they have in their work...

                          In your work I do feel you have an insight and a story to tell. The coots and heron will probably show that much more for me.

                          I was in my own way encouraging you to do more of that (and then to post those as perfection). Which they are to me.

                          Peter
                          No offence was taken, I'd hoped I'd expressed myself in such a way as to show that. But words, sometimes they run away with meanings of their own.

                          And yes I took it as encouragement.

                          I photograph animals doing things because I like to see, and share my wonder at, what they do. There is a privilege in seeing life innocent of human rationalisation. Somehow it puts us in perspective. As for an agenda, well mostly I just want people to see and enjoy what's at the end of their street, after all it came as a revelation to me.

                          People often misjudge the urban environment, but where I live is typical inner town, the houses have been established since before 1900, there are probably more trees and bushes per square mile than in much of the countryside. Much of our native wildlife has made the migration to the town, in many ways a much richer and more varied environment than much of the countryside.

                          As for meaning, well wonder is a meaning and can be brought about by a variety forms of art. If a specimen style photograph (say one of your butterflies) opens someone's eyes to the 'beauty' and variety there to be seen, if it encourages someone's interest by allowing them to identify a species, then surely that too is a meaning.

                          I'm trying to be a promiscuous photographer, if it's there I'll try to find an image, if I lay my hands on a lens I'll try to make it work for me. At the very least each attempt teaches me something, that too is surely a reason or meaning.
                          Last edited by Nick Temple-Fry; 11th June 2008, 11:32 AM. Reason: I lost the first sentence
                          Nick Temple-Fry

                          Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

                          www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
                          www.temple-fry.co.uk

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                            Beautiful sharp and clear image but lacks a little punch colour wise.

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                              Originally posted by Malcolm Cousins View Post
                              Beautiful sharp and clear image but lacks a little punch colour wise.
                              Thank you Malcolm.

                              You are right of course, but I think I prefer to describe it as subtle.

                              But I did post another couple of images in the gallery under the same 'generic' title.





                              Maybe the same criticism could be fairly applied to all of them?

                              Nick
                              Nick Temple-Fry

                              Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

                              www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
                              www.temple-fry.co.uk

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