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  • #31
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    This a stupid overpriced late project of the governments that will have real positive effects.


    You save money on energy by having more efficient equipent or using whatequipment you have less.

    The other way is to get the best tarif possible.


    A stupid meter actually costs money not saves it.
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    • #32
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      Originally posted by wornish View Post
      Excellent post Walti.

      Can you please send it to BBC , ITV and the rest of the news channels and papers to force the electricity companies to do their bit and become more efficient.

      They are inherently bone idle and need a big kick from time to time.
      Ideally they should be nationalised, or rather never have been privatised.
      John

      "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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      • #33
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        Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
        Ideally they should be nationalised, or rather never have been privatised.
        Up the Red Flag, comrade!

        If (or should I say when) Labour get into power, they will tax those who can offer no resistance to taxation. Increasing tax on the rich to pay for all the public spending they have planned is merely ideology. Do you think for one moment that the basic rate of income tax will remain as it is. No, they will tax the many to pay for all the idiot plans they have. Taxing the rich has been tried many times and it has minimal effect. The rich can avoid taxation, they have the means to to so, and they will.
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        • #34
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          Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
          Up the Red Flag, comrade!

          If (or should I say when) Labour get into power, they will tax those who can offer no resistance to taxation. Increasing tax on the rich to pay for all the public spending they have planned is merely ideology. Do you think for one moment that the basic rate of income tax will remain as it is. No, they will tax the many to pay for all the idiot plans they have. Taxing the rich has been tried many times and it has minimal effect. The rich can avoid taxation, they have the means to to so, and they will.
          I thought that they were going to borrow to fund their plans.
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          • #35
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            Originally posted by sapper View Post
            I thought that they were going to borrow to fund their plans.
            Well when I have borrowed money to fund the likes of a house purchase, car etc, the lender almost always wants the money returned, with interest.
            If the country borrows beyond its means, I'm thinking well in excess of the GDP, the borrower becomes a bad risk, and with it come conditions. When Labour dish out billions on welfare payments, nationalise the railways, the utility companies, the debt will exceed GDP many times over, and the country will be in deep s*i*.
            The Conservatives will be returned following the failed Marxist revolution, deep cuts will be made to pay off the national debt and the railways and utilities will be privatised. Is there an end to this madness?
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            • #36
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              But governments can borrow at much better rates than private individuals, and only need to pay off the interest, no need to pay back the capital. until the money invested in infratructure pays ooff with more tax revenue.
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              • #37
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                Not if the debt exceeds our ability to pay several times over. As a country we will be paying interest like its a PayDay loan. We could possibly sell our gold reserve to pay off the debt the Labour Party will accumulate, that's if Gordon Brown hadn't already sold it a considerable discount.
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                • #38
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                  Thanks Walti for an interesting broad view.

                  Can I ask about one of your comments:

                  Originally posted by Walti View Post
                  The new generation of LED lights mean that incandescent lamps should no longer have a place in your life, again the work I've done with these with the retail industry and the manufacturers means you should have no qualms about swapping them out... just don't buy the cheapest possible, look for the highest CRI number on the packages! I have 4 and 7W lamps throughout my house (they're getting on for 6 years old and aren't halfway through their life yet!) There is a variety of colour temperatures available so choose the ones you like the warmer colours (lower K number) are most appropriate for the home, NOT the daylight and colder colours! (higher K number)
                  I like LED lights, much better than the CFL tubes that were foisted on us a while back (and in theory can't be thrown away anywhere!). In places in my house where 60W incandescent bulbs were good I have replaced them with LEDs as they die, and found that LEDs sold as 60W equivalent do a good job. However, for some places I like 100W incandescent bulbs as they give plenty of light for reading, cooking etc. I haven't yet found an easy source of 100W-equivalent LED bulbs. I got hold of one that was both dimmable, which I don't need, and expensive, which I don't like. It does a good job but I would prefer a simple cheaper plug-compatible replacement. Any suggestions?

                  John

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                  • #39
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                    Multiple units, two or more.
                    Security lights can bash out the lumens, but heat sinks become necessary. Heat generation in the conversion process is unavoidable. We need some clever material science to deliver the goods - it's on it's way, using chemical compounds you wouldn't believe.
                    Steve

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                    • #40
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                      Originally posted by Bikie John View Post
                      Thanks Walti for an interesting broad view.

                      Can I ask about one of your comments:



                      I like LED lights, much better than the CFL tubes that were foisted on us a while back (and in theory can't be thrown away anywhere!). In places in my house where 60W incandescent bulbs were good I have replaced them with LEDs as they die, and found that LEDs sold as 60W equivalent do a good job. However, for some places I like 100W incandescent bulbs as they give plenty of light for reading, cooking etc. I haven't yet found an easy source of 100W-equivalent LED bulbs. I got hold of one that was both dimmable, which I don't need, and expensive, which I don't like. It does a good job but I would prefer a simple cheaper plug-compatible replacement. Any suggestions?

                      John
                      I didn’t get where I am today....

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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by Bikie John View Post
                        Thanks Walti for an interesting broad view.

                        Can I ask about one of your comments:



                        I like LED lights, much better than the CFL tubes that were foisted on us a while back (and in theory can't be thrown away anywhere!). In places in my house where 60W incandescent bulbs were good I have replaced them with LEDs as they die, and found that LEDs sold as 60W equivalent do a good job. However, for some places I like 100W incandescent bulbs as they give plenty of light for reading, cooking etc. I haven't yet found an easy source of 100W-equivalent LED bulbs. I got hold of one that was both dimmable, which I don't need, and expensive, which I don't like. It does a good job but I would prefer a simple cheaper plug-compatible replacement. Any suggestions?

                        John
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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                          Up the Red Flag, comrade!

                          If (or should I say when) Labour get into power, they will tax those who can offer no resistance to taxation. Increasing tax on the rich to pay for all the public spending they have planned is merely ideology. Do you think for one moment that the basic rate of income tax will remain as it is. No, they will tax the many to pay for all the idiot plans they have. Taxing the rich has been tried many times and it has minimal effect. The rich can avoid taxation, they have the means to to so, and they will.
                          All very interesting, Steve, but what has that got to do with public ownership of public utilities?

                          And before you say nationalised industries cost the taxpayer more, consider the case of the East Coast rail franchise, which has had to be rescued twice in recent years because the private operator failed but proves very profitable under Government control. Of course, this could be due to it being operated by a financially shrewd Conservative government rather than a profligate Labour administration, but nevertheless it does prove that in certain cases public ownership can work better than private companies.

                          In the case of gas and electric suppliers it may be too late and too expensive to re-nationalise them but it doesn't change my view that they never should have been privatised in the first place.
                          John

                          "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                          • #43
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                            I agree with John, the utilities should never have been privatised, they are too important for national security, security of supply etc.
                            Quite we’re throwing money at the Chinese and French (Hinkley Point) I have no idea, presumably some ministers had shares.

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                              Not if the debt exceeds our ability to pay several times over. As a country we will be paying interest like its a PayDay loan. We could possibly sell our gold reserve to pay off the debt the Labour Party will accumulate, that's if Gordon Brown hadn't already sold it a considerable discount.
                              What's the difference (in practical terms) between National Debt borrowed directly by the government and massive private commercial borrowing by large companies such as Carillion to finance public capital projects and services? In effect this is borrowing on behalf of the government and underwritten by the government. It has the advantage of masking the true level of National Debt, until the company concerned fails and the government has to meet the liability anyway. For the sake of impartiality, let's be clear that the last Labour government had equally bad private finance initiatives, which cost the taxpayer many times what it would have done had the borrowing been done directly by the Treasury.
                              John

                              "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                              • #45
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                                It's called smoke and mirrors.
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