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  • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

    Originally posted by wornish View Post
    Labour MP Mike Gapes tweeted this today.

    "Apparently Corbyn is prepared to hold talks with Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad, and Iran without preconditions. But not with the UK Prime Minister. Why ?"
    Maybe because those quoted hold the same morals, ideals and aspirations as he does ?

    Darkroom

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    • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

      Originally posted by Darkroom View Post
      If that were to happen, the resulting civil unrest and emergence of the "UK Yellow Jackets" might make the French equivalent appear to be a bunch of softies.

      Darkroom
      Amazon are doing a good deal on Hi-Vis jackets at the moment, get in quick before the prices sky-rocket.
      Steve

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      • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

        Originally posted by Otto View Post
        An interesting piece in the New York Times:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/o...eferendum.html

        "There are no good solutions to the current impasse but a second referendum is the least bad. All the debate has come up against a stubborn fact: Brexit is damaging to the British national interest. No deal can make it look good. May tried and failed. The British, and particularly British youth, deserve the right to determine their long-term future on the basis of reality."
        What would a second referendum achieve, apart from to trash the first one? We would no more know what the circumstances of our leaving would be than we did the first time. That is because we could not have foreseen the long process and divisions that arose for the first one and much the same kind of thing could happen second time around.

        In the meantime, such damage as has been/is being done by uncertainty and delay would continue to get worse as the process is prolonged.

        Harold
        The body is willing but the mind is weak.

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        • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

          Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
          Amazon are doing a good deal on Hi-Vis jackets at the moment, get in quick before the prices sky-rocket.
          I have both a standard jacket and a French (for drivers) version and I want my money's worth.

          Harold
          The body is willing but the mind is weak.

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          • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

            Originally posted by Harold Gough View Post
            What else can he do? It's not as if he would have any constructive ideas to offer.

            Given the opportunity, I suspect he would want to set up a very much larger negotiating team, thus creating jobs, and to prolong the process indefinitely, thus ensuring job security.

            Harold
            "What else?"
            It's customary to enter negotiations without putting demands on the other side before discussions begin, other than saying we expect 'comfort breaks' and tea and buscuits.
            The first step is to agree an agenda and then decide on points for consideration from all parties, and then to logically debate each item. The starting position must be no idea is a bad idea.
            Steve

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            • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

              Originally posted by Darkroom View Post
              Seems your Barrel Scraping is obviously getting even more desperate now Otto. Try and keep to UK resident's opinions. The USA has enough problems of it's own which remain unresolved.

              An independent opinion from another country not involved on either side is worth listening to. The trouble with UK residents' opinions is that they are coloured because they are directly involved. That said, the latest YouGov poll (after the vote on TM's deal) has Remain at 56% and Leave at 44%. Since you don't like linked references I'll leave you to find that for yourself.
              Regards
              Richard

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              • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                If the majority of the parliamentary consulting committee being set up decide a second referendum is the best option, then I would strongly recommend an interim referendum asking the electorate if they really want a referendum. I would set the bar in the high percentages, as an example 75% in agreement that we re-run the in-out referendum.

                Otherwise, I would encourage the government to bulk buy Yellow Jackets and make them freely available at a drop in centre (before the drop in centre is ultimately destroyed).
                Steve

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                • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                  Originally posted by Otto View Post
                  The trouble with UK residents' opinions is that they are coloured because they are directly involved.
                  It's hard to believe you've actually just typed that !

                  In that case, maybe in your eyes, the solution to all this mess would be to invite Mr. Trump to pay us an official visit and agree to accept whatever solution he suggests.

                  Darkroom

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                  • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                    Originally posted by Darkroom View Post
                    In that case, maybe in your eyes, the solution to all this mess would be to invite Mr. Trump to pay us an official visit and agree to accept whatever solution he suggests.

                    I'd never suggest that, he thinks we should leave .
                    Regards
                    Richard

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                    • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                      Originally posted by Otto View Post
                      I'd never suggest that, he thinks we should leave .
                      Nice one Otto ! That made me laugh

                      Darkroom

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                      • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                        According to the latest YouGov leadership polling Theresa May – is tied with ‘Don’t Know’ on 38% for who would make the best Prime Minister.

                        But it’s absolutely dire for Jeremy Corbyn, despite May’s anarchic premiership, Corbyn barely musters half as much support with only 20% backing him as the best Prime Minister. Corbyn doesn’t even have the support of a majority of 2017 *Labour* voters, only 46% of whom back him now…

                        May is ahead in every single region of the country, including London and Scotland. Incredibly, she’s even 1% ahead among Remain voters, while she has a comfortable lead among the C2DE voters that Corbyn claims to be speaking for. May shouldn’t get too excited, without the over-65s ‘Don’t Know’ would be comfortably ahead…

                        So is it the members on here who are keeping her afloat?
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                        • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                          I haven't been consulted.

                          Harold
                          The body is willing but the mind is weak.

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                          • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                            Originally posted by wornish View Post
                            So is it the members on here who are keeping her afloat?
                            With so many dedicated Remainers and Corbynites on here it's not very likely. In fact I bet they've even hidden all the lifebelts.

                            Darkroom

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                            • Graham

                              We often repeat the mistakes we most enjoy...

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                              • Re: Political: We're doomed, Captain Mannering...

                                Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                                "What else?"
                                It's customary to enter negotiations without putting demands on the other side before discussions begin, other than saying we expect 'comfort breaks' and tea and buscuits.
                                The first step is to agree an agenda and then decide on points for consideration from all parties, and then to logically debate each item. The starting position must be no idea is a bad idea.
                                Tea and biscuits? That wouldn't do for Comrade Corbyn.

                                Harold Wilson had beer and sandwiches around the Cabinet Table with the Trades Unions. Please don't say we are down to tea and biscuits.
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                                Naughty Nigel


                                Difficult is worth doing

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