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  • #31
    Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

    Originally posted by pandora View Post
    Well why would a would be terrorist bother to set up a digital device as a bomb to bring down an airplane when he/she can more easily drive a car into a crowd and wipe out dozens of people with seemingly little or no chance of being foiled in advance? The current Westminster Bridge catastrophe for example.
    They can potentially kill more people by destroying a plane and perhaps this carries more kudos within the sick world in which they live. However the real purpose of terrorism is to create fear amongst the population to the extent that it severely disrupts our lives and leads to the breakdown of our society. To this end it pays to be diverse with their threats, leaving us unsure when, where or how the next atrocity will occur.
    John

    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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    • #32
      Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

      Originally posted by pandora View Post
      Well why would a would be terrorist bother to set up a digital device as a bomb to bring down an airplane when he/she can more easily drive a car into a crowd and wipe out dozens of people with seemingly little or no chance of being foiled in advance? The current Westminster Bridge catastrophe for example.
      Because air travel is essential to the world economy and to the tourist trade, which is about all some poorer countries have.

      Harold
      The body is willing but the mind is weak.

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      • #33
        Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

        Originally posted by pandora View Post
        Well why would a would be terrorist bother to set up a digital device as a bomb to bring down an airplane when he/she can more easily drive a car into a crowd and wipe out dozens of people with seemingly little or no chance of being foiled in advance? The current Westminster Bridge catastrophe for example.
        It's a rather scary world that we live in now and much as I believe that we shouldn't let terrorists rule our lives, it does put me off visiting certain tourist destinations. I'm not a fan of crowds and big cities at the best of time, mostly preferring nature and the quieter places in our world. I'm not sure what can be done about these random acts and don't understand the mentality of those behind them.
        Maria

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        • #34
          Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

          Originally posted by pandora View Post
          Well why would a would be terrorist bother to set up a digital device as a bomb to bring down an airplane when he/she can more easily drive a car into a crowd and wipe out dozens of people with seemingly little or no chance of being foiled in advance? The current Westminster Bridge catastrophe for example.
          all of US to defy their depraved aims and objectives.
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          • #35
            Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

            Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
            all of US to defy their depraved aims and objectives.
            I'm with you.
            John

            "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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            • #36
              Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

              Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
              all of US to defy their depraved aims and objectives.
              Death, as witnessed yesterday, is a high price to pay. As far as I'm aware, backed by common sense, you don't get a second chance at life, when it's gone it is sadly gone.
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              • #37
                Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                Reading an article today it seems there are worse things to worry about than wholesale international terrorism?

                Believe it or not, the I'net is up in arms - pun intended - that Wonder Woman has taken time off from fighting crime to shave her armpits.

                After reading through the blurb, I've gone from terrified to petrified at what snippet of news is next to hit the major news outlets?
                It's not what inspires us that is important, it's where the journey takes us.

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                • #38
                  Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                  Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                  Death, as witnessed yesterday, is a high price to pay. As far as I'm aware, backed by common sense, you don't get a second chance at life, when it's gone it is sadly gone.
                  It's worth keeping in mind st times like this that by far the most dangerous thing most of us do is travel on the road.

                  I looked up the number of deaths and serious injuries per year on London's roads, and it's something like 2000 per year (300-odd deaths). That's just under 40 per week.

                  So, when some of my friends tell me they're going to stop going to London because of fears of terrorism (as a couple of them do every time something like this happens) I'll politely ask them why they've been recklessly driving in London for the past 40 years...

                  This is Western Europe, for goodness sake, not Aleppo. We must carry on doing exactly what we have been doing, otherwise they've won.

                  Of course, other powerful reasons for terrorist actions are to impress potential recruits that they can radicalise, and to sow discord between Islamic and other people in the targeted country.

                  Iron fist responses, such as those likely to be perpetrated by the Trump regime and other totalitarian governments in Europe and elsewhere, have never worked and, again, are mainly done to make those governments look strong in the eyes of their supporters. Therin lies the death of democracy and our freedom, and that needs to be resisted just as hard as we resist terrorism.
                  Regards,
                  Mark

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                  • #39
                    Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                    Originally posted by drmarkf View Post
                    It's worth keeping in mind st times like this that by far the most dangerous thing most of us do is travel on the road.

                    I looked up the number of deaths and serious injuries per year on London's roads, and it's something like 2000 per year (300-odd deaths). That's just under 40 per week.

                    So, when some of my friends tell me they're going to stop going to London because of fears of terrorism (as a couple of them do every time something like this happens) I'll politely ask them why they've been recklessly driving in London for the past 40 years...

                    This is Western Europe, for goodness sake, not Aleppo. We must carry on doing exactly what we have been doing, otherwise they've won.

                    Of course, other powerful reasons for terrorist actions are to impress potential recruits that they can radicalise, and to sow discord between Islamic and other people in the targeted country.

                    Iron fist responses, such as those likely to be perpetrated by the Trump regime and other totalitarian governments in Europe and elsewhere, have never worked and, again, are mainly done to make those governments look strong in the eyes of their supporters. Therin lies the death of democracy and our freedom, and that needs to be resisted just as hard as we resist terrorism.
                    Well put, Mark, I entirely agree.
                    John

                    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                    • #40
                      Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                      Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                      Death, as witnessed yesterday, is a high price to pay. As far as I'm aware, backed by common sense, you don't get a second chance at life, when it's gone it is sadly gone.
                      That is true, but then living a life cowed to terrorists is no life at all in my book. If you never takes a risk you will never achieve anything.

                      Life is for living and enjoying. I may have a slightly skewed view on this matter as I have done many risky things in my life, including racing motorcycles on the Isle of Man and in Northern Ireland. I have no idea how fast I was riding as racing machines don't have speedometers, but it would have been close to 180 MPH on narrow, twisting roads, often between a hard rock face and a drystone wall.

                      Looking back, I would say I have probably had more close shaves on open roads than when racing.

                      It makes good sense to avoid obvious and unnecessary risks, (I have no interest in sunbathing on Egyptian or Turkish beaches anyway), but when you start worrying about flying with major UK airlines, or getting on a train, I would say you need to get things in perspective.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                        I've had my share of risk taking flying single engine a/c, nearly coming to a sticky end on two occasions. The risk provided a certain buzz, especially when I walked away. But such things are premeditated and training for an emergency is a life saver. I like to be in control of my destiny as much possible.
                        Steve

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                        • #42
                          Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                          Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                          I like to be in control of my destiny as much possible.
                          Don't we all!

                          Only an automaton would be happy to have their destiny determined by others.

                          However, getting back on topic, I strongly believe that our tacit acceptance of the will of certain groups puts us at greater risk, not less.

                          We collectively vote our politicians into power. One of their primary responsibilities is to create legislation to protect the public. It is the job of the Police, Health & Safety Executive, HM Customs & Revenue and other agencies to enforce this legislation.

                          Crucially, there is only room for one set of laws in this country, and these laws must apply equally to all. The suggestion that we should allow Sharia Law, or incorporate Sharia Law into our legislature is treading a very slippery slope in my view. (Likewise any other legislation which is incompatible with British values.)

                          Give a quarter of an inch and they will take a yard!
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                          Naughty Nigel


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                          • #43
                            Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                            The latest is that laptops will be banned on ALL flights to the USA:

                            https://www.grahamcluley.com/reports...lights-europe/

                            Harold
                            The body is willing but the mind is weak.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                              Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post

                              Crucially, there is only room for one set of laws in this country, and these laws must apply equally to all. The suggestion that we should allow Sharia Law, or incorporate Sharia Law into our legislature is treading a very slippery slope in my view. (Likewise any other legislation which is incompatible with British values.)
                              You may have noticed that I hold somewhat liberal views and more than once I've been accused of being a bleeding hearts left-wing socialist do-gooder (usually on MSN comments ) but you have touched upon a subject where I firmly believe in no compromise whatsoever. Sharia Law is alien to this country, our beliefs, morals and traditions - in short, our whole way of life. It is the very anathema of liberalism. Anyone who wishes to impose this upon us is simply incompatible with core British values and needs to find another place in the World that is more to their liking to call "home."
                              John

                              "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                              • #45
                                Re: Ban on Muslim Cameras in Planes

                                Originally posted by Harold Gough View Post
                                The latest is that laptops will be banned on ALL flights to the USA:

                                https://www.grahamcluley.com/reports...lights-europe/

                                Harold
                                Will this include iPads/tablets I wonder?
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