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    I just wanted to inform everyone that after some discussion among the mods in response to some private and public feedback from members we will shortly be revising the forum rules in order to refocus the forum on what it was intended for; involved activity including discussion and image sharing and helping and informing each other. Unfortunately, our membership has attracted people who are only interested in doing business via the classified ads section here.

    The rule changes are aimed at preventing members from using the forum primarily for trading (buying/selling or swaps). We also want to deal with the problem of members finding that something they sold recently being re-sold here on the forum for a profit.

    The For Sale and Wanted section of our forum will continue to be a valuable and useful resource for members, but we want to make it clear that if you are almost exclusively using our site for trading, you will no longer be welcome here.

    Ian
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    Re: Trading on the e-group forum

    I add the traders to my ignore list so I don't see their posts. I seem to be adding more these days.
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          Re: Trading on the e-group forum

          With respect, Homer, the mods get to see the bigger picture, including statistics and privileged info from other members.

          It's always been a case of Caveat Emptor, but we try our best to ensure fairness amongst all.
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            Re: Trading on the e-group forum

            Good on you, Ian, and not before time I say, having been somewhat vocal on the subject myself over the years....

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              Re: Trading on the e-group forum

              It's not an over-reaction because this is not the result of just one transaction or one seller. It's a trend that has been escalating for several years, during which time there have been a number of traders making multiple transactions and we have taken action against some of these following complaints from other members. It has been a subject of ongoing debate amongst the admin and mod team and, far from over-reacting, we have been remarkably tolerent for the very reason that this is a friendly forum and we don't wish to appear heavy handed. However, with the For Sale board being increasingly used in a manner that was not envisaged or intended when it was established, we reluctantly feel it is time to re-establish the principles on which it is based.
              John

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                Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                This clarification of policy is likely to only affect a very small number of people negatively, but be positive for the vast majority of us.

                Ian
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                  Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                  I regard this forum as a community of friends and as such don't see it as a market place, although I have bought one item from another member. So I wholeheartedly support Ian and the moderators in this move - part of a process of evolution that is a must for any forum to remain top of the league.

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                    Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                    I wish I was over there (in the UK as there is no forum for Olympus users here with the privileges you enjoy on this great forum) to be able to share in the experience of being able to pass on something I have that I don't need or use any more & know that it has gone to another member & hopefully brought them pleasure (or to buy something from another member), but I would be miffed if someone bought solely to buy & then to try & make a profit on it to someone else. I see this forum as a group of friends where we can help each other in a number of ways (including with buying & selling to each other) but I see no place for profiteers here, so thanks Ian.

                    I'm not sure I would want to be there in the floods though.
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                        Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                        Must say that the first forum I turn to is the for sale/wanted one, next is the Lounge.
                        I have bought and sold, at a profit on one occasion and would hate to see that part of the site go.
                        I do accept that us ordinary mortals, (members, not mods) do not see the whole picture, but would say, let the butter (Butter?) beware. If someone wants to pay above the odds, so be it.
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                          Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                          Originally posted by Homer Simpson View Post
                          I nearly joined in the ruckus, last week, as I thought people
                          I'm the guilty curmudgeon (not the seller, the original ganger), but I tried to comment gently and even PM'd the forum about whether I was even allowed to point things out.
                          I got no reply from Ian on that, but really didn't want to overstep any rules.
                          I'm sorry if my comments have caused harm, but happy if the forum remains almost non-commercial as a result.
                          I'm always one for a bargain, but also fairness and honour.
                          I also think your post was great and totally agree with you on all points.

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                            Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                            To clarify, the change in policy is to target people who are only using the site for opportunistic trading. These are a small number of people whose posting history is virtually all to do with buying and selling/swapping gear.

                            If you are a normal member who uses the site for various involved activities or even if you are not a frequent poster but browse the site instead, as long as you are not primarily using the site for trading then you will not be affected.

                            Of course there are going to be times when you get a profit when re-selling an item previously bought from another member. My advice is that you should let the previous owner know as a courtesy but in terms of the rule change we ask that you don't re-sell here on the e-group an item bought from another member for a profit until three months after you originally purchased it. There is of course nothing stopping you from selling it elsewhere.

                            If there are extenuating circumstances then please get in touch with the original owner and/or us and if we are all agreed then all the necessary courtesies will have been made and you can go ahead and sell an item for a profit inside of 3 months.

                            We will see how the changes go and adjustments if necessary.

                            Ian
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                            Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
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                              Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                              Originally posted by Ulfric M Douglas View Post
                              I'm the guilty curmudgeon (not the seller, the original ganger), but I tried to comment gently and even PM'd the forum about whether I was even allowed to point things out.
                              I got no reply from Ian on that, but really didn't want to overstep any rules.
                              I'm sorry if my comments have caused harm, but happy if the forum remains almost non-commercial as a result.
                              I'm always one for a bargain, but also fairness and honour.
                              I also think your post was great and totally agree with you on all points.
                              I'm very sorry you didn't get a response; actually I don't remember seeing your communication so I can only apologise.

                              Ian
                              Founder and editor of:
                              Olympus UK E-System User Group (http://e-group.uk.net)
                              Four Thirds User (http://fourthirds-user.com)
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