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  • #16
    Re: Trading on the e-group forum

    One other thing - we aren't going to patrol the forum with bayonets at the ready and wage guerilla warfare with 'baddies' - if we come across someone who we feel is not respecting the spirit of the forum then we'll contact them and politely convey our concerns. We want to give people the a chance to adapt of that's what they want. If they do then we welcome this, if not, then we will only terminate accounts after all avenues have been explored in a civilised and fair-handed manner.

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    • #17
      Re: Trading on the e-group forum

      Originally posted by Ian View Post
      ...but in terms of the rule change we ask that you don't re-sell here on the e-group an item bought from another member for a profit until three months after you originally purchased it.
      Sounds extremely friendly to me - and hence in the spirit of the forum. Thank you Ian & Mods.
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      • #18
        Re: Trading on the e-group forum

        I don't see any problem, I have bought from members and sold to various members very occasionally but each occasion they have been members whom I have seen contributing on a regular basis with no problems whatsoever. I think the terms to be fair are reasonable and I can't see a problem.

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        • #19
          Re: Trading on the e-group forum

          I guess I am a guilty party then having mostly bought and sold on this forum but not for a profit on here . I have owned Olympus for a number of years and have regularly contributed to other sites. I think I have mainly benefited members . I buy and sell on ebay quite a bit but that is all from ebay and then sold back on ebay . I make money sometimes for sure but I have never had a seller complaining that I resold there item for more money. To be honest if someone bought something from me and then made a healthy profit reselling here or on ebay then good luck to them thats there good fortune . My advice is check out the current selling rates of items first before putting them up for sale.
          As for not selling an item you bought back on the forum within three months and telling the seller if you are going to make a profit that's just unrealistic and to be honest nowhere I have ever come across has ever suggested that.
          Just my opinion but I dont think your changes are necessarily needed or wanted by the majority of your forum members . Maybe you should have a democratic vote ?
          Regards
          Tim

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          • #20
            Re: Trading on the e-group forum

            I've bought and sold on here, I find the for sale board an important part of the forum and would not like to see it over moderated, although I do get the unease.
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            • #21
              Re: Trading on the e-group forum

              Originally posted by timphoto1 View Post
              I guess I am a guilty party then having mostly bought and sold on this forum but not for a profit on here . I have owned Olympus for a number of years and have regularly contributed to other sites. I think I have mainly benefited members . I buy and sell on ebay quite a bit but that is all from ebay and then sold back on ebay . I make money sometimes for sure but I have never had a seller complaining that I resold there item for more money. To be honest if someone bought something from me and then made a healthy profit reselling here or on ebay then good luck to them thats there good fortune . My advice is check out the current selling rates of items first before putting them up for sale.
              As for not selling an item you bought back on the forum within three months and telling the seller if you are going to make a profit that's just unrealistic and to be honest nowhere I have ever come across has ever suggested that.
              Just my opinion but I dont think your changes are necessarily needed or wanted by the majority of your forum members . Maybe you should have a democratic vote ?
              Regards
              Tim
              For the spirit of this forum, I think making any profit is unnecessary & in bad form. Usually equipment will depreciate & if a fellow member can't sell it on without 'making a killing', then they fall into the 'profiteering' category as far as I'm concerned. If I paid $500 for a lens from a member & then 6 months down the track decide I don't want it any more, although I might get $700 on ebay, why should I expect another member to pay more than I did. I'm sorry, but any member here trying to make a profit to another member on those terms is hardly a friendly member to me & this is supposed to be a friendly membership, with it being the case most of the time & I hope it can be maintained, but unfortunately needs moderating measures to keep it that way. I don't live in the UK (still have family around the UK though), but I hope the majority of the members might think similarly.
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              • #22
                Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                Yes although i have not been vocal I have noticed this trend for sometime and especially those coming from other sites just to sell things and not participate.

                I've sold quite a few thing here to friends and by friends I mean people I have I have known here a long time when I have upgraded (though not for a while) and if I say so myself always at reasonable prices, so much so that they were nearly always snapped up immediately.

                Now my main reason for saying this is that in the past I have had a policy of first come gets it as they have always been true committed members.

                In future anything I do sell that has multiple buyers will not go to the first come first serve but to those who I consider to be true participating members and friends.

                I am pretty sure that can be my prerogative if I so choose, and I am sure Ian will let me know if it is not.
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                • #23
                  Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                  Originally posted by timphoto1 View Post
                  I guess I am a guilty party then having mostly bought and sold on this forum but not for a profit on here . I have owned Olympus for a number of years and have regularly contributed to other sites. I think I have mainly benefited members . I buy and sell on ebay quite a bit but that is all from ebay and then sold back on ebay . I make money sometimes for sure but I have never had a seller complaining that I resold there item for more money. To be honest if someone bought something from me and then made a healthy profit reselling here or on ebay then good luck to them thats there good fortune . My advice is check out the current selling rates of items first before putting them up for sale.
                  As for not selling an item you bought back on the forum within three months and telling the seller if you are going to make a profit that's just unrealistic and to be honest nowhere I have ever come across has ever suggested that.
                  Just my opinion but I dont think your changes are necessarily needed or wanted by the majority of your forum members . Maybe you should have a democratic vote ?
                  Regards
                  Tim
                  Tim, I don't believe we have had any complaints about you but we certainly have concerning others who are maybe more aggressive and more prolific in their buying and selling. The problem is that your attitude is not representative in wishing others good luck in getting a good price - it does generate bad feeling and sometimes people don't complain publicly but are upset inside.

                  In the end it is down to the buyer to do what they want to with whatever they have bought but all we are asking is that if they are aiming to make a short term profit, to do it outside of the this site. I think that is more than reasonable.

                  And the question has to be asked - if you buy and sell so much gear, what do you do with it? Do you use it? If so why not get involved in showing your photography or at the very least get involved in discussions about others' photos or help/ask for help concerning gear or photography?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                    Originally posted by Ian View Post
                    In the end it is down to the buyer to do what they want to with whatever they have bought but all we are asking is that if they are aiming to make a short term profit, to do it outside of the this site. I think that is more than reasonable.Ian
                    This is a very reasonable and sensible statement and I totally agree, I have personally bought off and sold on the forum and it is indeed a very valuable resource, in fact I will shortly offer my E-M5 & 12mm for sale here as I have just bought an E-M1 off of a member. BUT it is my belief that if you are looking to 'quickly profit' off of the back of another member it goes against the 'spirit' of this very warm and friendly forum, and that's coming from a capitalist

                    Of course once you have paid for the item/s they are yours to do with as you so wish, and if you wish to sell on at a profit that is your choice BUT in the interest of harmony and dare-I-say fairness you should do so 'outside' of this forum, i.e. ebay / gumtree etc.

                    As an aside, if one is "buying and selling" on a frequent and largish scale I trust one is letting HMRC know so that one pays the relevant income tax on the 'profit' as HMRC WILL class you as effectively running a business and want their dues. HMRC often patrol car boot sales as these have in many cases gone from someone selling 'one or two' items to individuals making ( or attempting to ) a healthy living from them

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                    • #25
                      Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                      Originally posted by OlyPaul View Post
                      Yes although i have not been vocal I have noticed this trend for sometime and especially those coming from other sites just to sell things and not participate.

                      I've sold quite a few thing here to friends and by friends I mean people I have I have known here a long time when I have upgraded (though not for a while) and if I say so myself always at reasonable prices, so much so that they were nearly always snapped up immediately.

                      Now my main reason for saying this is that in the past I have had a policy of first come gets it as they have always been true committed members.

                      In future anything I do sell that has multiple buyers will not go to the first come first serve but to those who I consider to be true participating members and friends.

                      I am pretty sure that can be my prerogative if I so choose, and I am sure Ian will let me know if it is not.
                      I'm in the same space Paul.

                      Although in the past I have rarely sold anything (an accusation my wife repeats every decade and that I have had little defence to) I have recently started to do so.

                      Generally I have been selective in the manner you mention through offering items to people who's posts suggest they might appreciate it (someone who's 620 died got an offer on my 30, the 50-200 went to someone who had had a burglary, and other items have generally gone to where I consider a good home and they consider a good price - this has also applied to purchases so I suspect others have made similar decisions at times too!

                      This is, in many ways, quite an unusual 'forum'; possibly a mirror of Olympus's early photographic consumers!

                      It's definitely not a democracy, and there's absolutely no reason why it should be - as members we are fortunate to benefit from a benign dictator with a little interest and support from a manufacturer; long may it continue

                      I was going to sell a lovely little Vivitar 28/2 that I had previously purchased from someone on here - but as I can't remember how much I paid, and it was only 6 years ago, I think I will hang on to it a little longer
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                      • #26
                        Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                        Originally posted by photo_owl View Post
                        I'm in the same space Paul.

                        Although in the past I have rarely sold anything (an accusation my wife repeats every decade and that I have had little defence to) I have recently started to do so.

                        Generally I have been selective in the manner you mention through offering items to people who's posts suggest they might appreciate it (someone who's 620 died got an offer on my 30, the 50-200 went to someone who had had a burglary, and other items have generally gone to where I consider a good home and they consider a good price - this has also applied to purchases so I suspect others have made similar decisions at times too!

                        This is, in many ways, quite an unusual 'forum'; possibly a mirror of Olympus's early photographic consumers!

                        It's definitely not a democracy, and there's absolutely no reason why it should be - as members we are fortunate to benefit from a benign dictator with a little interest and support from a manufacturer; long may it continue

                        I was going to sell a lovely little Vivitar 28/2 that I had previously purchased from someone on here - but as I can't remember how much I paid, and it was only 6 years ago, I think I will hang on to it a little longer
                        Oooh - Vivitar 28mm f/2? Can I borrow it for my AP Classics to Use series?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                          Originally posted by Ian View Post
                          Oooh - Vivitar 28mm f/2? Can I borrow it for my AP Classics to Use series?

                          Ian
                          If not, you can always borrow my 28mm F2.0 Zuiko

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                            Originally posted by Ian View Post
                            Oooh - Vivitar 28mm f/2? Can I borrow it for my AP Classics to Use series?

                            Ian
                            depends - do I have to get permission from the person who sold it to me?

                            simple answer is yes; just pm to let me know where to send it Ian. It's a modified K mount so it's basically 43 mount.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                              Originally posted by photo_owl View Post
                              depends - do I have to get permission from the person who sold it to me?

                              simple answer is yes; just pm to let me know where to send it Ian. It's a modified K mount so it's basically 43 mount.
                              Will it still fit a Pentax?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Trading on the e-group forum

                                Originally posted by Ian View Post
                                Will it still fit a Pentax?

                                Ian
                                no idea - it was a Minolta mount I believe and now just 'fits' a 43 mount.
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