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  • #16
    Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

    As sensor size tends to 0, the potential for image stabilisation tends to 1/0 . Olympus U4/3 has it cracked. With my 5 yr old EM5 Mk1 I can hand-hold using the Skink 16mm f/90.

    As sensor size increases, dust has ample real estate for occupancy. I'm forever cleaning the sensor on my M240, or removing dust bunnies in post processing; but I love the camera in spite of this. In 5 years of EM5 ownership I have not had occasion to clean the sensor. Amazing given the sensor is open and the Leica is closed during lens changing.
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    • #17
      Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

      I agree with a lot of what Tony has says. However, my real concern is that micro 4/3 keeps going during the time I have left to take photos. This is one of the reasons why I am still running two systems although, if I am to be fair, I should consider upgrading my old Canon EOS 6D.
      Larry

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      • #18
        Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

        Originally posted by Ian View Post
        Of course Micro Four Thirds is not dead.

        However there was a reference in the link to mobile phones now being equivalent to compact cameras and I believe that is pretty much true. I have been using some state of the art Huawei mobile phones (P20 Pro and Mate 20 Pro) and these can produce impressive images; in many ways as good as or better than, say, an XZ-1.

        But Micro Four Thirds is way better and has the advantage of significant portability compared to even APS DSLRs and mirrorless cameras, let alone full frame.

        Panasonic entered the full frame business because it could via its collaboration with Leica and borrowing their L-mount. I don't believe Panasonic would have invested in their own FF mount and system. FF is a niche and they won't sell nearly as many FF cameras and lenses as Micro Four Thirds, though it's fair to say they expect to make a good deal more money per unit sold with FF. By adding FF it also gives them some valuable kudos.

        Panasonic also argues that APS is too close to FF in terms of capability and luggability. If you want a high-end APS-C camera you might as well get an entry-level FF camera. This means APS will feel the FF squeeze and it will be interestingto see what happens with APS in mirrorless. Sony has been concentrating on its FF range with not a lot happening with their APS range. Nikon still has no APS mirrorless offering. Canon has improved the APS EOS-M range but it's not really a pro-competitor like the top Olympus and Panasonic offerings.

        It's an interesting time, but declaring the demise of Micro Four Thirds just seems like a way of driving internet traffic to me.

        Ian
        I think the exception to the APS-C size & weight disadvantage would have to be the Fuji system where they're not offering FF lenses to use on APS-C bodies, but lenses designed for that size format, although still will end up being heavier than similar M4/3's outfits (with longer lenses).
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        • #19
          Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

          Yes, when phones allow you to take sharp images of birds in flight at 840mm focal length equivalent handheld, then, yes, m4/3 will indeed be dead.

          However, so will full frame.

          It will happen, but it will take a few years yet.
          Regards,
          Mark

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          • #20
            Graham

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            • #21
              Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

              Originally posted by griffljg View Post
              I agree with a lot of what Tony has says. However, my real concern is that micro 4/3 keeps going during the time I have left to take photos. This is one of the reasons why I am still running two systems although, if I am to be fair, I should consider upgrading my old Canon EOS 6D.
              Your 6D is the obsolete one now that Canon is going FF mirrorless.

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              • #22
                Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                Not forgetting there is a 6D mk2 too.

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                • #23
                  Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                  Originally posted by Ian View Post
                  Your 6D is the obsolete one now that Canon is going FF mirrorless.

                  Ian
                  That's another reason to be a bit careful with Canon. They appear to be changing the lens mount for their mirrorless cameras and I don't want to be caught out with some incompatible lenses, as was the case when Olympus changed from 4/3 to micro 4/3. OK - So they did finally release the MMF-3 adaptor which works really well with the E-M1 and E-M1 Mk II.

                  Originally posted by TimP View Post
                  Not forgetting there is a 6D mk2 too.
                  If I were to upgrade the 6D now, I am not all that sure I would move to the 6D Mk 2. I would probably move to the 5D Mk IV, which are being sold at some fairly competitive prices right now.
                  Larry

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                  • #24
                    Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                    I think this person writes a good alternative to that Tony on M4/3's future. Is it true? Is the micro four thirds format dying out? Will it be extinct in no time? And what about DSLRs?
                    Ross
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                    • #25
                      Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                      Obviously the Chinese think not.

                      https://petapixel.com/2018/11/03/yon...eid=2a426fcff6
                      Steve

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                      • #26
                        Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                        Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                        Haha! That makes just about as much sense as a vegetarian steak sandwich!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                          Originally posted by Ian View Post
                          Haha! That makes just about as much sense as a vegetarian steak sandwich!

                          Ian
                          Sounds nice, yum!

                          Which bits, sir?
                          Steve

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                          • #28
                            Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                            [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaU2jZNLqd8&t=510s"]Micro Four Thirds is dead?.. A response - YouTube[/ame]

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                            • #29
                              Graham

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                              • #30
                                Re: Tony Northrup believes micro-four-thirds is dead

                                Of course M43 will die eventually - its just a matter of when and the when is not anytime soon as far as I can see. As for comparing the death of M43 to FF, well M43 is one system whereas FF is many incompatable systems. A good handfull of FF systems may die but FF would still be with us as far as the critics are concerned - but tell that to anyone who has invested thousands of pound/dollars in a FF system that "dies" and they would not be impressed. My point being why lump a whole bunch of different systems together just because the sensor size is identical (and when you look closely is that actually true to the nearest 1/10th mm?). APS has many different image sizes and no one complains or does ooodles of comparisons about image quality based on APS sensor size.

                                I chose M43 because of the size of the system (in particular the E-M5.1) and not the size of the sensor. Maybe when FF systems are as small as as the M43 system I might re-consider but then only if they offer a huge improvement in usability.

                                I suppose any discussion of the death of systems should really inlcude the original Four Thirds. Only Olympus know all the details but I never heard anyone say it was because of the sensor size per se. Rather it was because M43 offered greater advantages to the system as a whole and in future it may be that another seismic change may do the same to M43. Its always possible that with higher performance full on-sensor PDAF and in built AI that lens design will change and cause a change in lens mounts - and then everyone is in the same sinking ship. Until that time I will use what I have and then think myself lucky when the price of M43 kit drops and I can afford a bit more.
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