Announcement

Collapse

December's CHALLENGE

The topic to inspire your creative juices this month is BOXES Please don't forget to vote on November's LEAVES challenge and please re-vote if you already did but before the recent forum upgrade.

See more
See less

Editing software

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Editing software

    I've heard many of you talk about CS and Lightroom etc... can someone explain what Photoshop CS does, and where does Lightroom fit in to this workflow please. Is it worth moving from Elements to something like this, and whats the difference between Elements and the "full-blown" versions.

    Also, as I am currently a student with the OU, it means I am entitled to buy the adobe software at student rate, does anyone know if the software is a fully-functioning piece of software that leaves no watermarks or banners across the photos (not a daft question, as this happens with the academic versions of the CAD software I use)

    Thanks in advance
    Tracey Jones

    Its a shame that humans dont come with autofocus, like cameras do!

  • #2
    Re: Editing software

    Adobie's marketing used to say

    Ligrtroom for the Many, Photoshop for the one. On other words Lightroom was for browsing, cataloguing (some simple functions) and preparing and batch processing multiple images, especially from Raw

    Photoshop ( be that CS or elements) was for detailed processing of an image to get the effect you want using things like layers, seperations, Selective adjustment to parts of an images and many other detailed adjustments

    Elements gives you a bit of everything in that you get some catalogusing and some photo manipulation

    All three programs have their own use and power. Most would probably suggest starting with elements if you've not got into any serious photo editing and upgrade once you've moved beyond it

    Regards
    Andy
    My Kit (OK I'm a hoarder...)
    4/3 E500, E510, E30 + 35macro, 50macro, 7-14, 11-22, 14-45 (x2), 14-54, 40-150 (both types), 50-200, 70-300, 50-500,
    m 4/3 EM1MkII + 60 macro, 12-100 Pro
    FL20, FL36 x2 , FL50, cactus slaves etc.
    The Boss (Mrs Shenstone) E620, EM10-II, 14-41Ez, 40-150R, 9 cap and whatever she can nick from me when she wants it

    My places
    http://www.shenstone.me.uk
    http://landroverkaty.blogspot.com/
    https://vimeo.com/shenstone
    http://cardiffnaturalists.org.uk/

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Editing software

      Hi Tracey

      99.999% of my images are all dealt with by using Lightroom 2.5. I do have Photoshop CS3, but now rarely use it, and certainly have no inclination to upgrade as and when. I will though, upgrade Lightroom.

      Lightroom provides a full catalogue system, and also the ability to process your images with immense control over all of the items. Please also note, that Lightroom is non-destructive in that all the edits you apply to your image do not alter the original image in any way. You can always revert to the original at any time.

      Lightroom allows you to keyword, organise, catalogue, upload directly to online galleries (I upload direct to my Zenfolio gallery from within Lightroom), adjust all settings such as exposure, vignette, clarity, contrast, colours - in fact a massive array of parameters - all in a very usable user interface.

      You can apply settings to single images, or you can apply them to a thousand images on import from your camera. You can export to all formats, have Lightroom automatically monitor a specific directory so when images are places there they are auto imported to Lightroom. You can create develop presets, export presets, all manner of presets - save these, and apply them en masse to any number of images.

      Need more....???

      Can you tell I am a Lightroom fanboy eh!
      John

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Editing software

        John (theMusicMan) has said it all really.

        If I were starting from scratch, I'd get Lightroom and Photoshop Elements.

        Lightroom is designed from the ground up as a digital photographer's tool. There is some editing that really needs Photoshop, and Elements offers more flexibility than most of us will ever need.

        I bought the full version of Photoshop years ago but won't be buying any more upgrades.

        I'm 99% sure that the academic versions will not watermark anything - they could not even give them away otherwise. Buy them at the reduced prices while you can!
        Steve
        My Flickr: https://flic.kr/ps/HRVVS

        "If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something" - Steven Wright

        Comment


        • #5
          Nick Temple-Fry

          Medicine as a science ranks somewhere between archaeology and economics.

          www.theChurchPhotographer.co.uk 90 Churches -- Fairford St Mary's, exceptionally splendid
          www.temple-fry.co.uk

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Editing software

            Originally posted by jonesy View Post
            I've heard many of you talk about CS and Lightroom etc... can someone explain what Photoshop CS does, and where does Lightroom fit in to this workflow please. Is it worth moving from Elements to something like this, and whats the difference between Elements and the "full-blown" versions.
            Also, as I am currently a student with the OU, it means I am entitled to buy the adobe software at student rate, does anyone know if the software is a fully-functioning piece of software that leaves no watermarks or banners across the photos (not a daft question, as this happens with the academic versions of the CAD software I use)

            Thanks in advance
            John

            "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Editing software

              Originally posted by theMusicMan View Post
              Hi Tracey

              99.999% of my images are all dealt with by using Lightroom 2.5. I do have Photoshop CS3, but now rarely use it, and certainly have no inclination to upgrade as and when. I will though, upgrade Lightroom.

              Lightroom provides a full catalogue system, and also the ability to process your images with immense control over all of the items. Please also note, that Lightroom is non-destructive in that all the edits you apply to your image do not alter the original image in any way. You can always revert to the original at any time.
              Lightroom allows you to keyword, organise, catalogue, upload directly to online galleries (I upload direct to my Zenfolio gallery from within Lightroom), adjust all settings such as exposure, vignette, clarity, contrast, colours - in fact a massive array of parameters - all in a very usable user interface.

              You can apply settings to single images, or you can apply them to a thousand images on import from your camera. You can export to all formats, have Lightroom automatically monitor a specific directory so when images are places there they are auto imported to Lightroom. You can create develop presets, export presets, all manner of presets - save these, and apply them en masse to any number of images.

              Need more....???

              Can you tell I am a Lightroom fanboy eh!
              I do that (or at least I think I do) in Elements by saving the edited version under a new file name, leaving the original unaltered. Or is something happening to the original in this process that I'm not aware of?
              John

              "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Editing software

                Earlier in the year I went to a talk about using Lightroom, I thought it was brilliant. The chap showed how to do all sorts of things with it, it seemed much easier to use, a far more sensible layout than PS, much more user-friendly. The layout was a bit like CaptureOne.

                As far as I know some camera clubs had a deal of some sort, which made it cheaper to buy, but at the time even that was a bit too much, so I still use Gimp - which is free.
                - my pictures -

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Editing software

                  Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
                  I do that (or at least I think I do) in Elements by saving the edited version under a new file name, leaving the original unaltered. Or is something happening to the original in this process that I'm not aware of?
                  What Lightroom does is to store another file in parallel with the original, which contains details of all the changes you have made. The original cannot be overwritten, even by accident (and we have all done that). You can export the processed image to a JPG or whatever if and when you need to. When you reopen the original image, all the changes are reloaded from the file.

                  I hope that makes sense...
                  Steve
                  My Flickr: https://flic.kr/ps/HRVVS

                  "If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something" - Steven Wright

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Editing software

                    Originally posted by steverh View Post
                    What Lightroom does is to store another file in parallel with the original, which contains details of all the changes you have made. The original cannot be overwritten, even by accident (and we have all done that). You can export the processed image to a JPG or whatever if and when you need to. When you reopen the original image, all the changes are reloaded from the file.

                    I hope that makes sense...
                    Elements does exactly the same with how it deals with raw files as well ,and just as in LR if you exit the raw converter to edit outside of it you have to make another file, you can just do a little more in LR before having to edit outside of LR. But saying that the grad and brush tools in LR are not as good or as exact as editing in PS and never will be untill editable masks are introduced in LR which is unlikely as iot would eat into PS sales.

                    I have LR2 but have to admit its not my main editing tool or always my raw converter of choice for that matter which kind of makes me the maverick.

                    I'm of the belief there are still real benefits for the modular, three pronged approach to a photographers' work flow. When someone builds a better mousetrap you can update that component, be it a faster Image Browser, better RAW Converter, or more efficient Cataloging application.

                    If there are any old audiophiles about you can compare it to picking the various components (amp/ turntable/speakers) from different manufactures or settling for a conviniant do it all midi system from one manufacturer.
                    Last edited by OlyPaul; 27th November 2009, 11:10 PM.
                    Regards Paul.
                    One day I hope to be the person my dogs think I am.

                    https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_silk/

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Editing software

                      "conviniant do it all midi system from one manufacturer. "

                      you mean like a Naim CDS555, 552, 500 DBLs
                      This space for rent

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Editing software

                        Originally posted by DerekW View Post
                        "conviniant do it all midi system from one manufacturer. "

                        you mean like a Naim CDS555, 552, 500 DBLs
                        Since when was the Naim CDS555 a do it all midi system? And as for the other components I'm sure there are those that would argue they can be bettered by another manafacturer.

                        To quote "The CD555 makes no attempt to play DVDs, DVD-As or SACDs. It doesn't have a digital output. Nor does it have a variable output. The CD555 simply plays CDs and at that it excels. We are confident that is the best CD player ever."

                        Methinks you make my point for me.
                        Regards Paul.
                        One day I hope to be the person my dogs think I am.

                        https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_silk/

                        Comment


                        • #13

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Editing software

                            Originally posted by jonesy View Post
                            Also, as I am currently a student with the OU, it means I am entitled to buy the adobe software at student rate, does anyone know if the software is a fully-functioning piece of software that leaves no watermarks or banners across the photos (not a daft question, as this happens with the academic versions of the CAD software I use)

                            Thanks in advance
                            Tracey to my knowledge the Student versions of Adobe Software are fully functioning without any limits, but it would be worth double checking before buying.

                            I think Lightroom and Photoshop are two different pieces of software for different audiences and they both have their place as a look at this search will show.
                            I've used both and can see the benifit of having both, but if I had to choose I would go with Photoshop if only for the ability to edit multi layered images.

                            Hope this helps.

                            Regards

                            Gavin

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Editing software

                              You can trial Lightroom and CS4 for a month free, go to the Adobe website and download it and currently Lightroom 3 Beta is also available for free download and that runs untill March next year I think before it expires.

                              I have LR2 and CS3 and as Music man says I also just tend to use LR2 now and very rarely use CS3 unless I want to do advanced stuff such as layering etc.

                              Paul

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X