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    I went to a National Trust house today. When I bought the tickets the guide started tapping frantically on the screen and sat back in frustration. I peeped over the top of the monitor and almost burst out laughing! The sales 'system' was 'powered' by the Fisher-Price O.S. (aka Windows 10), and it had the tasteful powder-blue screen with the circle of dots chasing each other, with the message that it was updating and not to turn the computer off!

    I wonder how many times it had to restart to complete the update? I had to pay at the separate (and sane) shop till. How can an organisation operate with such a set-up?

    Jim

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    Re: Windows 10

    You can schedule W10 updates so maybe the problem is with the NT not the OS.
    David

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    • #3
      Re: National Trust

      Sadly that says a lot more about the organization than the operating system

      until recently I was IT manager in a multinational where we had factories operating 24x7 and we had to have certain machines running for most of the time and environmental monitoring 100% of the time or product could not be released (it was blood tests)

      Restarts for patching were scheduled and managed by my team... we did not lose our environmental data

      There is no real excuse, for decent security you have to apply patches whatever the OS .. you just need an appropriate procedure

      Regards
      Andy
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        Graham

        We often repeat the mistakes we most enjoy...

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          Re: Windows 10

          Originally posted by Melaka View Post
          You can schedule W10 updates so maybe the problem is with the NT not the OS.
          They were all volunteer elderly women on the site. I doubt whether any of them knew much about computers. I guess that it was installed by a 'technician', who then just left them to cope with it the best way they can.

          It was at Strawberry Hill in Twickenham. It was a fantastic place (literally!) and I'll post a couple of photos I took in another thread.

          Jim

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          • #6
            Re: Windows 10

            Apple is currently feeling the heat from its latest OS updates which are causing a fair amount of ire amongst the followers

            It's a software 'thing'

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            • #7
              Re: Windows 10

              Ubuntu updates are very non-intrusive.

              An alert pops up to say that an update is available, with the choice to 'Install now' or 'Remind me later'. The updates are installed in the background, during which work can continue. On the rare occasions that a restart is necessary, the option is given to 'Restart now' or 'Restart later'. A fairly large update can take as little as 5 mins.

              Jim

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              • #8
                Re: Windows 10

                Originally posted by Ian View Post
                Apple is currently feeling the heat from its latest OS updates which are causing a fair amount of ire amongst the followers

                It's a software 'thing'

                Ian
                I have been an Apple user for over 20 years and agree that the latest update to Catalina MacOS-15 certainly has caused a big change. I even waited until the first dot-1 update release before making the move to allow the application providers to get a chance to fix the bugs. It took over an hour to complete the update but luckily all worked afterwards.

                The big change that caused a lot of the issues was the fact that 32-bit apps are no longer supported. There is no workaround. It was a pure marketing decision not driven for any technical reason AFAIK. I am seriously thinking of moving to a Linux system next time. PS and Lightroom are the major gotcha for me in moving to Linux but there are other alternatives that are getting better all the time.

                I have been running Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi and it is very easy to get used to.
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                • #9
                  Re: Windows 10

                  Originally posted by wornish View Post
                  PS and Lightroom are the major gotcha for me in moving to Linux but there are other alternatives that are getting better all the time.
                  I use my W10 machine about a couple times a month, and then only to run Photoshop. There are image processing tools for Linux, but whilst good, they're not yet as competent as PS.

                  I use Xubuntu, which is a 'lighter' Ubuntu, though I started off in the early 90s with Slackware.

                  To get a feel for a full Linux, you can run one of the 'Live' systems. Knoppix is my favourite. Mint is also deservedly popular. One distro that's received rave reviews is 'Deepin':

                  https://www.deepin.org/en/

                  It's a Chinese distro, but I've not see any suggestions that it might be a bit 'dodgey'.

                  Jim

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                  • #10
                    Re: Windows 10

                    Unix-derived operating systems like Ubuntu are all very well but they occupy a microscopic segment of the market because there is no large scale coordinated commercial backing.

                    That is unless you count Google Chromebooks in that classification - or even Android.

                    Hang on, Mac OS is Unix-derived...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Windows 10

                      Originally posted by wornish View Post
                      I have been an Apple user for over 20 years and agree that the latest update to Catalina MacOS-15 certainly has caused a big change. I even waited until the first dot-1 update release before making the move to allow the application providers to get a chance to fix the bugs. It took over an hour to complete the update but luckily all worked afterwards.

                      The big change that caused a lot of the issues was the fact that 32-bit apps are no longer supported. There is no workaround. It was a pure marketing decision not driven for any technical reason AFAIK. I am seriously thinking of moving to a Linux system next time. PS and Lightroom are the major gotcha for me in moving to Linux but there are other alternatives that are getting better all the time.

                      I have been running Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi and it is very easy to get used to.
                      And this is where Microsoft handled the transition to 64-bit really well. Windows happily runs both 32 and 64-bit applications side by side in the same session.

                      Ian
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                      • #12
                        Re: Windows 10

                        Originally posted by Ian View Post
                        Unix-derived operating systems like Ubuntu are all very well but they occupy a microscopic segment of the market because there is no large scale coordinated commercial backing.

                        That is unless you count Google Chromebooks in that classification - or even Android.

                        Hang on, Mac OS is Unix-derived...
                        .... and the majority of servers and routers. I understand that almost all supercomputers are Linux powered.

                        The Transend wireless CF card I have has a Linux OS.

                        Jim

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                        • #13
                          Re: Windows 10

                          Originally posted by Jim Ford View Post
                          .... and the majority of servers and routers. I understand that almost all supercomputers are Linux powered.

                          The Transend wireless CF card I have has a Linux OS.

                          Jim
                          Windows is very big in commercial servers.

                          Ian
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                          • #14
                            Re: Windows 10

                            Having now tried Catalina for a few days I have had enough. Just restored my imac to the earlier OS version Mojave. Catalina is so locked down security-wise it makes it hard to actually do anything and it gets really annoying. I can see no benefit for me in using it.

                            That said I have just installed LinuxMint in dual boot mode on my Windows 10 Laptop and will give it a go.
                            Dave

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                            • #15
                              Re: Windows 10

                              Originally posted by Ian View Post
                              Windows is very big in commercial servers.

                              Ian

                              Yup.. When I was working we had windows for just about everything except oracle databases by the end. we had phased out Vax, Sun etc etc. down to the two platforms



                              Regards
                              Andy
                              My Kit (OK I'm a hoarder...)
                              4/3 E500, E510, E30 + 35macro, 50macro, 7-14, 11-22, 14-45 (x2), 14-54, 40-150 (both types), 50-200, 70-300, 50-500,
                              m 4/3 EM1MkII + 60 macro, 12-100 Pro
                              FL20, FL36 x2 , FL50, cactus slaves etc.
                              The Boss (Mrs Shenstone) E620, EM10-II, 14-41Ez, 40-150R, 9 cap and whatever she can nick from me when she wants it

                              My places
                              http://www.shenstone.me.uk
                              http://landroverkaty.blogspot.com/
                              https://vimeo.com/shenstone
                              http://cardiffnaturalists.org.uk/

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