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    Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC. There is a new Lightroom Classic 7 and a new Lightroom CC cloud-based service.

    See the Adobe web page for the details:

    https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/20...-and-more.html

    It is also the end of Perpetual Licenses with Lightroom 6.

  • #2
    Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

    Originally posted by Invicta View Post
    Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC. There is a new Lightroom Classic 7 and a new Lightroom CC cloud-based service.

    See the Adobe web page for the details:

    https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/20...-and-more.html

    It is also the end of Perpetual Licenses with Lightroom 6.
    What's worrying me is that LR as we know it today (i.e. a big app that runs on your PC, accesses files on your own hard disk and does lots of complex stuff) is now being called LR "Classic". Things that get called classic by software companies are usually on their way to being what the techies call "deprecated" - i.e. on death row. It looks like Adobe are switching their development resources to the new "lite" Lightroom - confusingly called Lightroom CC, the same as the current version.

    The new lite version runs only on tablets (Android, iOS) and only works in conjunction with Adobe cloud storage where you need to put your images. The new lite version looks very light (it supports just basic image edits).

    I suspect Adobe's version of the future is this:

    - We put all our images on their servers in the cloud

    - We use a lightweight Lightroom app that runs on tablets and replaces the "classic" app

    I don't like this future. I'm OK paying Adobe a reasonable monthly subscription, but my internet connection is nowhere near being fast enough to let me move lots of big raw files to the cloud (and being in backward, Brexit Britain I can't see that improving anytime soon since I'm in a small village 3 miles from a big town and no-one wants to pay to give me fast broadband). Even if I could get over the cloud thing, I really don't want to be using a tablet for image editing.

    We'll see how it goes, but if the update cycle on Lightroom Classic dries up then I'll start looking at alternatives.
    Paul
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    • #3
      Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

      Big changes in Lightroom for sure. Agree some are of concern, others have potential.

      Concerns

      Vendor lock in. With Lightroom Perpetual Licenses now ended with Lightroom 6 a creative cloud subscription is the only way to keep current.

      Lightroom 7 is a change in database, no easy way to go back to Lightroom 6 so worth holding off upgrading until the bugs are ironed out.

      Adobe do not have infinite pools of developers so new features in Lightroom 7 look less likely as they focus on CC.

      Lightroom CC - once your data is in the cloud it gets really difficult to get it out again.

      Hopes

      Lightroom Classic workflow to Photoshop is clunky. Lets hope Lightroom CC improves on this.

      Lightroom mobile is nice and very useful. I recently did all the editing for a photo journal on the plane home on my iPad.

      Alternatives

      I am keen to try alternatives and have looked before as Lightroom with Photoshop is so hard work. Key for me is to support Photoshop so looking for a good catalogue alternative. Capture One has poor database capabilities and really does not like to play with Photoshop.

      What other alternatives are there to look at?

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      • #4
        Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

        Originally posted by Invicta View Post
        Big changes in Lightroom for sure. Agree some are of concern, others have potential.

        Concerns

        Vendor lock in. With Lightroom Perpetual Licenses now ended with Lightroom 6 a creative cloud subscription is the only way to keep current.

        Lightroom 7 is a change in database, no easy way to go back to Lightroom 6 so worth holding off upgrading until the bugs are ironed out.

        Adobe do not have infinite pools of developers so new features in Lightroom 7 look less likely as they focus on CC.

        Lightroom CC - once your data is in the cloud it gets really difficult to get it out again.

        Hopes

        Lightroom Classic workflow to Photoshop is clunky. Lets hope Lightroom CC improves on this.

        Lightroom mobile is nice and very useful. I recently did all the editing for a photo journal on the plane home on my iPad.

        Alternatives

        I am keen to try alternatives and have looked before as Lightroom with Photoshop is so hard work. Key for me is to support Photoshop so looking for a good catalogue alternative. Capture One has poor database capabilities and really does not like to play with Photoshop.

        What other alternatives are there to look at?
        My concerns are slightly different...

        Lock-in: In Lightroom you complete non-destructive editing by having the original file from the camera and a sidecar file with the changes logged. How do you move away from Lightroom and maintain all the editing work you've done? Can any other software read and use the Lightroom sidecar files?

        Cloud: I use cloud storage for back ups and have no concerns about downloading the files from the Adobe cloud back to my machine, however having invested in one cloud storage system do I really want to have another one? (I'm up to 2TB of remote storage, so purchasing another 2TB seems excessive!)

        Mobile: I've not managed to get on very well with the Lightroom mobile app for my phone so I've not used it, however I do need to get to grips with using my laptop in support of the desktop.
        I didn’t get where I am today....

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        • #5
          Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

          There is one big hoo-ha going on about the Adobe announcement. I think it's unnecessary. Here is my take:

          1. Lightroom as we all know and some of us (me included) love continues as 'Classic'. Adobe is fully committed to its future development.

          2. But the reality is that Lightroom was never developed for the majority of today's photographers who now routinely use Interneted connected cameras - mostly mobile phones, but also conventional cameras connected to mobile phones. Adobe had to address these users and its cobbled-together Lightroom (Classic) extensions to link Lightroom on the desktop to Lightroom Mobile, simply wasn't the answer. Lightroom CC is designed to solve this problem.

          3. Lightroom CC looks like a cut down version of Classic but this mainly for two reasons; Classic is complex, arguably too complex for many of us. Let's face it, who hasn't at some times become a bit scared of the complexities of LR catalogues, where the files are stored and managed, collections, etc. CC simplified all that and adds in the rather amazing Sensei AI-based content search tool to help you find images you are looking for in the cloud. CC is also very new so it doesn't yet have a number of features we take for granted on 'old' Lightroom. Many of these are in the pipeline.

          4. CC has a lot of default advantages: you no longer need to manage your image library on local drives. Of course you can (should) retain originals offline, the ones stored on the cloud will be secure and accessible from anywhere that has a decent Internet connection. It should be mentioned that you can edit local files using CC before they are synchronised to the cloud, so there is no limitation there. Being on the cloud (I believe - need to verify) not only means you don't have to cart around a huge hard drive with you but my understanding is that much of the CPU intensive processing is going to be cloud-based so you won't need a battery-sapping heavyweight device to do your Lightroom work any more.

          Conclusion:

          I certainly won't stop using Lightroom Classic. I have a couple of TB of images and I don't see these all being uploaded to the cloud any time soon. However, I can see myself using Lightroom CC for future work. So I am likely going to be using Classic and CC in parallel. Maybe a hybrid release of Lightroom is what I'd like

          Ian
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          • #6
            Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

            It would appear that they are trying very hard to mix the social media element of photography with classic photography workflows and photographic manipulation, and I think this is a good thing for serious photographers and the industry in general.

            My broadband download speeds may be great but my upload speeds are horrendously slow and my mobile upload speed is almost non existant; maybe this is different elsewhere in the world. Until that changes I could not adopt any true cloud based service (i.e. remote) for large scale digital image manipulation or storage... and don't forget that Olympus RAW files are small in comparison to some.
            Cameras: E-M5, E-PM2, OM40, OM4Ti
            Lenses (M.Zuiko Digital): 7-14mm/F2.8, 12-40mm/F2.8, 40-150mm/F2.8+TC1.4x, 12-50mm/F3.5-6.3, 14-42mm/F3.5-5.6 EZ, M.ZD 40-150 F4-5.6 R, 75-300mm/F4.8-6.7 Mk1, 12mm/F2, 17mm/F1.8
            Lenses (OM Zuiko): 50mm/F1.2, 24mm/F2, 35mm/F2.8 shift
            Lenses (OM Fit): Vivitar Series II 28-105mm/F2.8-3.8, Sigma 21-35mm/F3.4-4.2, Sigma 35-70mm/F2.8-4, Sigma 75-200mm/F2.8-3.5, Vivitar Series II 100-500mm/F5.6-8.0, Centon 500mm/F8 Mirror
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            • #7
              Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

              I know I can sound a bit like a broken record at times... this constant change is driven by accountants looking at increasing the bottom line. There is a way to get off the treadmill to some extent, buy or better still resurrect your old film camera and buy a scanner.

              The Leica M3 was introduced in 1954 and is still as relevant today as it was over 60 years ago. All that's needed is a CLA every 10 years or so, and it will still be relevant in another 60 years.

              Ok, if you're a committed digital photographer (I use both technologies), why upgrade every time a new camera is introduced. There's no need. Just like a car, run it into the ground.
              Steve

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              • #8
                Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                I am fortunate in that I have a full Adobe CC subscription. I have updated the CC App manager and I can now install both Classic and CC. So you can run both at the same time and I have read that if you do then CC can actually feed cloud images to Classic. So they are complementary. The full CC sub nets you 100GB of cloud storage but I have not yet found a way of increasing that, so the idea of uploading your (in my case terabytes) of conventional LR originals to the cloud looks like a non-starter. It may be that one would have to be rather more fastidious concerning pruning out unneeded images from your cloud library - no bad thing in my case!

                Ian

                **Update - there is a Lightroom CC plan with 1TB of storage.
                Founder and editor of:
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                • #9
                  Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                  Originally posted by Ian View Post
                  There is one big hoo-ha going on about the Adobe announcement. I think it's unnecessary. Here is my take:

                  1. Lightroom as we all know and some of us (me included) love continues as 'Classic'. Adobe is fully committed to its future development.

                  2. But the reality is that Lightroom was never developed for the majority of today's photographers who now routinely use Interneted connected cameras - mostly mobile phones, but also conventional cameras connected to mobile phones. Adobe had to address these users and its cobbled-together Lightroom (Classic) extensions to link Lightroom on the desktop to Lightroom Mobile, simply wasn't the answer. Lightroom CC is designed to solve this problem.

                  3. Lightroom CC looks like a cut down version of Classic but this mainly for two reasons; Classic is complex, arguably too complex for many of us. Let's face it, who hasn't at some times become a bit scared of the complexities of LR catalogues, where the files are stored and managed, collections, etc. CC simplified all that and adds in the rather amazing Sensei AI-based content search tool to help you find images you are looking for in the cloud. CC is also very new so it doesn't yet have a number of features we take for granted on 'old' Lightroom. Many of these are in the pipeline.

                  4. CC has a lot of default advantages: you no longer need to manage your image library on local drives. Of course you can (should) retain originals offline, the ones stored on the cloud will be secure and accessible from anywhere that has a decent Internet connection. It should be mentioned that you can edit local files using CC before they are synchronised to the cloud, so there is no limitation there. Being on the cloud (I believe - need to verify) not only means you don't have to cart around a huge hard drive with you but my understanding is that much of the CPU intensive processing is going to be cloud-based so you won't need a battery-sapping heavyweight device to do your Lightroom work any more.

                  Conclusion:

                  I certainly won't stop using Lightroom Classic. I have a couple of TB of images and I don't see these all being uploaded to the cloud any time soon. However, I can see myself using Lightroom CC for future work. So I am likely going to be using Classic and CC in parallel. Maybe a hybrid release of Lightroom is what I'd like

                  Ian
                  Paul
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                  • #10
                    Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                    Its beginning to sound like I may get what I need/want.

                    LR Classic on the desktop and Lightroom cloud on the laptop so in-field editing can be completed and synchronised with the cloud and then on to the desktop... therefore a minimal amount of cloud storage is needed 100GB sounds fine...

                    All dependant on fast internet access from the laptop of course!
                    I didn’t get where I am today....

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                      Affinity photo? I have it on the laptop, not played with it much because I am used to LR. Only $40. I am angered by the move to the cloud. I do not like it, it hooks the customer for life.

                      Great for Pro's running a business, but I feel they have abandoned the amateur photographer that has neither the cash, nor the internet speed/bandwidth to use CC.

                      I am sure there are other, perhaps better, photo editing software programs out, those will perhaps pick up the photographers Adobe abandoned.

                      As far as Cloud computing goes...keep in mind that these huge data centers now contribute as much to global carbon emissions as the airlines, 2%, and is forecast to double by 2020 (Turban, Volonino, & Wood, 2015).

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                        Originally posted by Walti View Post
                        My concerns are slightly different...

                        Lock-in: In Lightroom you complete non-destructive editing by having the original file from the camera and a sidecar file with the changes logged. How do you move away from Lightroom and maintain all the editing work you've done? Can any other software read and use the Lightroom sidecar files?
                        The 'Lock-in' issue has existed ever since Lightroom was first released. You can export processed images from Lightroom as DNG files (with/without the original RAW file embedded) and so don't need the sidecar files to be read.
                        I think ON1 and DXO OpticsPro can use DNG - no doubt there are others.

                        There are debates about whether DNG degrades the data originating from the original RAW file - this article from Martin Evening may help you decide. Note that much of it is about the merits of converting your RAW files to DNG on import to Lightroom.
                        https://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/20...and-myths.html
                        Chris

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                          I saw this coming a while back and moved to Affinity for my RAW editing as a result. It's a shame that Adobe couldn't be trusted when they assured us that they would still offer it as a standalone product without the licensing, for those of use like me who can't quite justify that monthly expenditure it makes the alternatives far more attractive
                          Bailey

                          Em1ii, GX7, 12-40 Pro, 60mm Macro, 40-150 Pro, PanaLeica 100-400mm, Sigma 30mm f1.4 & 16mm f1.4 and more bags than I can shake a tripod at :/

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                          • #14
                            Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                            Originally posted by pvasc View Post
                            Affinity photo? I have it on the laptop, not played with it much because I am used to LR. Only $40.
                            Serif are rumoured to be working on an Affinity digital asset management product, which could be their pot-shot at LR. If it's as good as Affinity Photo is at doing what PS does (but a lot more cheaply), then it could be worth trying when it does appear. No idea when that will be, though.
                            Margaret

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                            • #15
                              Re: Lightroom as we know it is now Lightroom Classic CC

                              Well, it seems it might be the end of the road for me with LR... but for stupid compatibility issues.

                              I'm trying to upgrade my LR to the new "Classic CC" version but it's not being listed as an update in the Creative Cloud desktop app. I've been through the steps described here:

                              https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-clo...available.html

                              but none work.

                              However, I did look at the system requirements and it seems that on Windows you need Windows 10 (64-bit) Version 1511 or later. The laptop I use is maintained by my company's IT dept and it seems it's running Version 1507. What's worse, my own desktop PC is running Windows 7.

                              I have no control of what our corporate IT guys do and I hate Win 10. Win 7 is such a more aesthetic and smoother experience IMHO.

                              So, it seems that I'm locked out of LR upgrades from now on.... sigh.

                              Time to check out DxO.
                              Paul
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