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    The next issue has a comparison with the E3 and the D300. perhaps it will come as no suprise that the reviewer "La Nicholson" struggles, unsuccesfully to find anything favourable to report

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    I have read the review also and was a bit surprised in the difference in score 92% for the Nikon to 82% for the E3. In the past, reading reviews about four thirds i always felt the tone was a bit dismissive. I felt after reading this review that they are starting to see the real benefit of the system and it is up to Olympus to resolve AF and high ISO issues. As the reviewer said viewing an A3 print, the quality was the same from either camera.

    David

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      Originally posted by Haisbro View Post
      I have read the review also and was a bit surprised in the difference in score 92% for the Nikon to 82% for the E3. In the past, reading reviews about four thirds i always felt the tone was a bit dismissive. I felt after reading this review that they are starting to see the real benefit of the system and it is up to Olympus to resolve AF and high ISO issues. As the reviewer said viewing an A3 print, the quality was the same from either camera.

      David
      I have responded to a similar message on Four Thirds User.

      There is no point in denying that the Nikon D300 is an exceptional camera, but that doesn't make the E-3 a bad one by any means. As we all know, there was considerable objection to AP's rating of the E-3 as it was compared with the Nikon D3 flagship (three times the price of an E-3) and the similarly expensive Canon EOS-1D Mark III. I'm disappointed, but not surprised that AP has retained the rather punitive 82% rating - it would be a huge and embarrassing admission of error by the magazine to have done anything else. If, as reports suggest (I haven't read the article yet) suggest that in real terms the cameras are not so different in every day use, that is what counts, not ratings.

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        To be fair the point being made at times was that in certain aspects the Nikon was very good, not that the E3 was bad. It was not a one sided review but credit was given where it was deserved.

        David

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          Re: E3 Review in A.P.

          Originally posted by yorky View Post
          The next issue has a comparison with the E3 and the D300. perhaps it will come as no suprise that the reviewer "La Nicholson" struggles, unsuccesfully to find anything favourable to report
          I've been looking for a 'so what!' smiley (or 'sneerey') in the new icons, but can't find one!

          I've not bought or read an AP since the Minolta SRT101 was the No. 1 camera.

          Jim

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            Re: E3 Review in A.P.

            OK


            David

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              Not read the review yet but must go and have a look. However the reviewer is intitled to his opinion, not matter how wrong or right they maybe.
              Myself never really rated AP reviews for a long time.

              However Olympus are aiming the E3 at the Pro market. which is bound to throw it up against the likes of the D3 and EOS 1s and not even the D300 etc can compete against the full frame digital machines . Different kettle of fish.

              Also it goes to prove that no matter what camera you buy, you should always read more than one review

              Anyway as we are all here Olympus trumps Nikon and Canon as far as I am concerned
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                Originally posted by Jim Ford View Post
                I've not bought or read an AP since the Minolta SRT101 was the No. 1 camera.

                Jim
                When I was still living in the UK I only bought AP for the classifieds and even they went downhill. I'm surprised it's still being published when you consider the good photo mags that have ceased publication.
                It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

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                  Originally posted by David M View Post
                  When I was still living in the UK I only bought AP for the classifieds and even they went downhill. I'm surprised it's still being published when you consider the good photo mags that have ceased publication.
                  In defence of the mag, its general content has in my opinion improved in the last year, since Damien took over as the editor.

                  Ian
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                    Originally posted by knikki View Post
                    Not read the review yet but must go and have a look. However the reviewer is intitled to his opinion, not matter how wrong or right they maybe.
                    Myself never really rated AP reviews for a long time.

                    However Olympus are aiming the E3 at the Pro market. which is bound to throw it up against the likes of the D3 and EOS 1s and not even the D300 etc can compete against the full frame digital machines . Different kettle of fish.

                    Also it goes to prove that no matter what camera you buy, you should always read more than one review

                    Anyway as we are all here Olympus trumps Nikon and Canon as far as I am concerned
                    There is 'pro' and there is 'pro'. I think the E-3 would make a reasonable paparazzi camera, a good wildlife photographer's camera, a good motorsport camera (as I hope Jon Nicholson will demonstrate this seasin in F1 - he will be using an E-3 at the races this season). It could certainly be used for weddings and macro work. It's a good all-rounder.

                    The Nikon D3 is really a camera to satisfy the needs of photographers who just must have a 'full frame' 135 format DSLR. I categorise these as alternatives to medium format and particularly good for studio work and for applications where extremely large image reproductions are required. The EOS-1D Mark III is a photographic machine gun - again, some photographers feel they really need this performance.

                    Olympus has never claimed the E-3 is in the same league as these two from Nikon or Canon. The target was the Nikon D200 and I think Olympus delivered. But the D300 has arrived and the target has moved.

                    Ian
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                      Re: E3 Review in A.P.

                      Originally posted by Ian View Post
                      In defence of the mag, its general content has in my opinion improved in the last year, since Damien took over as the editor.

                      Ian
                      Really??? Well I've only bought two editions since the change of editor, and I had the feeling that both technical and artistic content had declined. The last one I looked at had as 'picture of the week' a concrete wall with loo vent! Another had cute fox pics and floral smudges.

                      There are far better photomags out there.

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                        Originally posted by Ian View Post
                        Olympus has never claimed the E-3 is in the same league as these two from Nikon or Canon.Ian
                        Oh I agree, but that will not stop some magazines comparing it against them. Silly really but hey ho, thats people for you LOL

                        Originally posted by Ian View Post
                        The target was the Nikon D200 and I think Olympus delivered. But the D300 has arrived and the target has moved.Ian
                        I think it out performs the D200 in many ways, and as good as the D300 is, I prefer the images that I get from the E3. In fact I think my E20 out performs the D200 and I have beaten them in Local Club competitions.
                        You canít make a great musician or a great photographer if the magic isnít there. ~ Eve Arnold

                        Kit: Olympus OM4, OMD E5 MkII And some other junk to make it all work.

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                          At this rate AP will refuse to ever review Oly stuff again

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                            Re: E3 Review in A.P.

                            Originally posted by Ian View Post
                            I have responded to a similar message on Four Thirds User.

                            I'm disappointed, but not surprised that AP has retained the rather punitive 82% rating - it would be a huge and embarrassing admission of error by the magazine to have done anything else. If, as reports suggest (I haven't read the article yet) suggest that in real terms the cameras are not so different in every day use, that is what counts, not ratings.

                            Ian
                            Ian has most reveiws of these two cameras by other magazines have been in the 92% against 90% area on these two cameras, then either all the other mag reveiws are way out or Angela's is.

                            But I think it's more than likely you are correct here, which is a shame as integrity had a chance to shine here rather than saving face.
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                              I think that as it has been pointed out before, probably 9 out of 10 AP readers are Canon or Nikon owners. If a review tells them they've made the wrong choice, they won't like it and sales of the magazine will drop off.

                              Jim

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