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  • Panning with the EM1

    I'm used to shooting motorsports with a DSLR but want to start using my EM1 more due to the weight, however on my brief try with the EM1 I couldn't follow anything in the viewfinder as the image in the EVF was always behind the action, if you know what I mean. Is it like some other mirrorless cameras where it shows you the previous shot rather than a live view? If so can this behaviour be changed?

    Any advice would be appreciated.
    Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

    Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

    My Flickr
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

    www.tobygunneephotography.com

  • #2
    Re: Panning with the EM1

    You could check to see whether Rec View is turned on in the Setup Menu (Spanner.) If so, turn it off and see if that helps. (Page 109 in the manual.)

    Ron

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    • #3
      Re: Panning with the EM1

      Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
      You could check to see whether Rec View is turned on in the Setup Menu (Spanner.) If so, turn it off and see if that helps. (Page 109 in the manual.)

      Ron
      Thanks, I already have that turned off though.
      Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

      Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

      My Flickr
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

      www.tobygunneephotography.com

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      • #4
        Re: Panning with the EM1

        Have you set Frame Rate = High (Cog D) - the EVF will refresh at 120fps - at the expense of battery endurance?
        Chris

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        • #5
          Re: Panning with the EM1

          Originally posted by Gwyver View Post
          Have you set Frame Rate = High (Cog D) - the EVF will refresh at 120fps - at the expense of battery endurance?
          Thanks, just tried this and it still seems to lag behind, as though it's showing you the previous shot taken rather than the live view. I know when I tried the Sony A7RIII this did show the previous shot rather than a live view too but you could stop this from changing from 10fps to 8fps. I've tried different fps with the EM1 and it doesn't appear to make a difference
          Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

          Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

          My Flickr
          https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

          www.tobygunneephotography.com

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          • #6
            Re: Panning with the EM1

            After reading around I have figured out the issue with panning though. In continuous high you do not get a real time view, but a view of the previous frame. At 9fps this only equates to a small 'lag' but coming from a DSLR with no delay it's enough for me to lose track of a subject However, if you choose continuous low it shows you the real time view making it much easier to track subjects. The only caveat is that continuous low maxes out at 6.5fps. I'd rather this and be able to track the subject though.
            Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

            Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

            My Flickr
            https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

            www.tobygunneephotography.com

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            • #7
              Re: Panning with the EM1

              Sequential Low has the advantage of adjusting the focus between frames. With High it is fixed at the value of the first frame.

              Ron

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              • #8
                Re: Panning with the EM1

                Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
                Sequential Low has the advantage of adjusting the focus between frames. With High it is fixed at the value of the first frame.

                Ron
                I thought AF was no longer fixed in continuous hi (9fps and less) after one of the major updates?
                Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

                Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

                My Flickr
                https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

                www.tobygunneephotography.com

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                • #9
                  Re: Panning with the EM1

                  I am not sure how or what technique you are using but here is how I do it.

                  The settings are as the others have mentioned in The frame rate is set to high at the expense of the battery life but I have switched the preview to OFF. I do not get a preview. The LCD just continues displaying the scene.

                  I usually use MF and I have it lock to a certain distant as I find the CAF not a reliable.

                  OR

                  I sometimes use SAF. When using SAF, Tap the shutter as you frame the moving subject and PRESS when you are satisfied what you want to capture. Just remember to continue a good follow thru.

                  Taken at Super GT @ Buriram Thailand, 2017


                  Olympus E-M1MarkII 40-150mm F2.8 ƒ/6.3 57.0 mm 1/125 ISO 200

                  MotoGP at Sepang, Malaysia, 2017


                  OLYMPUS M.40-150mm F2.8 ƒ/5.0 150.0 mm 1/160 ISO 200

                  Bromo 2018

                  Olympus E-M1MarkII LUMIX G VARIO 45-200/F4.0-5.6 ƒ/5.1 128.0 mm 1/125 ISO 200


                  Olympus E-M1MarkII LUMIX G VARIO 45-200/F4.0-5.6 ƒ/10.0 61.0 mm 1/30 ISO 200


                  This is done with a EM5mk1. It's a continuous sequence of 6 photos stitched together.

                  * Henry
                  * Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor
                  * Malaysia


                  All my garbage so far.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Panning with the EM1

                    Cracking photos

                    Just posted this on another thread, but here's with regards to what I mean about viewing real time is that with continuous/sequential high the image you see in the viewfinder is the shot you've just taken, so you are always behind the action so to speak. Granted at 9fps on the EM1 that's only potentially 1/9th behind (plus blackout) but when you're panning cars at 120+mph from a close distance that can make a difference. With continuous low you are seeing the actual live view through the viewfinder (barring the tiny EVF lag) and so it's much closer to what you'd see when shooting with a DSLR. There's still blackout, but you obviously get that with DSLR too and I'm used to that, it doesn't interrupt me following the target. Not seeing an 'up to date' image in the viewfinder makes this very difficult for me. I'm sure with practice you just get used to it and make allowances, and if you've never used to DSLR you won't know any different, but as I swap from DSLR to M4/3 it's not an easy transition.
                    Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

                    Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

                    My Flickr
                    https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

                    www.tobygunneephotography.com

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                    • #11
                      Re: Panning with the EM1

                      Turn off that Preview. With the Preview OFF, the EVF behaves like a DSLR. the LAG is not noticeable. That PREVIEW after shooting really interrupt the shooting and you may even totally miss everything. I have it OFF all the time as I cannot afford to miss the action. I do not have my camera with me at the moment, but I remember it's at the last selection just below the CARD format function. (EM1mk2) I cannot remember if they have changed the setting position.
                      * Henry
                      * Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor
                      * Malaysia


                      All my garbage so far.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Panning with the EM1

                        Originally posted by blu-by-u View Post
                        Turn off that Preview. With the Preview OFF, the EVF behaves like a DSLR. the LAG is not noticeable. That PREVIEW after shooting really interrupt the shooting and you may even totally miss everything. I have it OFF all the time as I cannot afford to miss the action. I do not have my camera with me at the moment, but I remember it's at the last selection just below the CARD format function. (EM1mk2) I cannot remember if they have changed the setting position.
                        Preview is off. It's documented on the web if you look around that in continuous high you actually see the previous image rather than a real time view. It's the same with the Sony A7's in the higher frame rates. As I said, it's only marginal as you're shooting at 9fps so is only ever going to be 1/9th second behind, and some folk won't even notice it which is probably why you have to dig around to find this out I can't say whether this is true for the EM1-II though (I've emailed Olympus to find out), but with the EM1 you can certainly see the difference between Continuous Hi and Continuous lo when panning, even if you set similar frame rates for each. In continuous hi the view is always a frame behind.
                        Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

                        Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

                        My Flickr
                        https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

                        www.tobygunneephotography.com

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                        • #13
                          Re: Panning with the EM1

                          Think I fall under that group that didn't notice that lag. Let me view it again over the weekend.
                          * Henry
                          * Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor
                          * Malaysia


                          All my garbage so far.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Panning with the EM1

                            Originally posted by blu-by-u View Post
                            Think I fall under that group that didn't notice that lag. Let me view it again over the weekend.
                            If you don't notice it I wouldn't go looking for it if I were you, it's like anything else once you see it you can't un-see it Being used to DSLR is was obvious straight away to me, but if it's not then I'd say don't worry about it.

                            I have been in communication with Olympus this week to see if the Mark II behaves the same way, and unfortunately they confirmed that it did. That being said, continuous low is still 10fps with mechanical shutter which is more than adequate for me so I think I'll be upgrading at some point.

                            For those that are interested, this is the reply from Olympus

                            Screen Shot 2019-01-31 at 14.11.03 by TDG-77, on Flickr
                            Nikon Z7, 70-200mm f2.8 VRII, 18-35mm f3.5-4.5G, 24-70mm f4, 85m f1.8, 50mm f1.8, Nikon SB-700.

                            Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, 12-40mm f2.8, Panasonic Leica 100-400mm, 40-150mm f2.8, 40-150mm f4-5.6 R, 45mm f1.8

                            My Flickr
                            https://www.flickr.com/photos/99443690@N04/

                            www.tobygunneephotography.com

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                            • #15
                              Re: Panning with the EM1

                              That makes sense. I think it's talking of that ProCap high and ProCap low settings. Yes, that is true to that. The Low only works with Oly's MFT lenses and the High is for all lenses. I have seen the difference when I use the Lumix 100-300 on it vs the 40-150/2.8.
                              * Henry
                              * Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor
                              * Malaysia


                              All my garbage so far.

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