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  • #16
    Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

    Originally posted by bilbo View Post
    Ian - I'd be interested to know how the FL-50R is supported by the new camera please.

    Thanks
    Brian

    And the old FL36 (not FL36R)?
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    • #17
      Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

      I've been using my fl50rs on my em5 for ages. They work on camera and wirelessly in the same way as on the e5. It is the same flash system, it's the focus systems that are different. The IR focus assist won't work because its not visible light so is useless for CDAF. Whether this assists PDAF on the em1 is the only question.

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      • #18
        Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

        Originally posted by vchaney View Post
        I've been using my fl50rs on my em5 for ages. They work on camera and wirelessly in the same way as on the e5. It is the same flash system, it's the focus systems that are different. The IR focus assist won't work because its not visible light so is useless for CDAF. Whether this assists PDAF on the em1 is the only question.
        Thanks - it was just that the FL-50R (and its relatives) isn't mentioned in the E-M1 manual. Only the FL-300R and FL-600R are down as remote flash units.
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        • #19
          Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

          Originally posted by vchaney View Post
          I've been using my fl50rs on my em5 for ages. They work on camera and wirelessly in the same way as on the e5. It is the same flash system, it's the focus systems that are different. The IR focus assist won't work because its not visible light so is useless for CDAF. Whether this assists PDAF on the em1 is the only question.
          This is interesting as the Em1 manual shows that the FL50R is not part of the system chart. If the EM1 is supposed to be the upgrade for the E5 and FT bodies you would have thought it would be compatible with other parts of the system. It seems that it is not and that's why I say the EM1 is a new system and not a replacement for FT bodies.
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          • #20
            Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

            Originally posted by bilbo View Post
            Thanks - it was just that the FL-50R (and its relatives) isn't mentioned in the E-M1 manual. Only the FL-300R and FL-600R are down as remote flash units.
            They're not mentioned in the E-M5 manual either. The table (for compatible flashes) in the E-M1 manual is identical to that of that of the E-M5 manual.
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            • #21
              Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

              Originally posted by birdboy View Post
              This is interesting as the Em1 manual shows that the FL50R is not part of the system chart. If the EM1 is supposed to be the upgrade for the E5 and FT bodies you would have thought it would be compatible with other parts of the system. It seems that it is not and that's why I say the EM1 is a new system and not a replacement for FT bodies.
              It does seem like an oversight to not mention them & with the exceptions, however, the specs online has this:
              "Compatible external flash units FL-50R, FL-36R, FL-50, FL-36, FL-14, FL-300R, FL-600R"
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              • #22
                Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                Originally posted by Ross the fiddler View Post
                They're not mentioned in the E-M5 manual either. The table (for compatible flashes) in the E-M1 manual is identical to that of that of the E-M5 manual.
                Could it just be that all the flashes in the table are current models, whereas the FL50R is, I believe, discontinued? That doesn't mean it won't work but they can't have every compatible flash, past and present, listed in the table.

                Ron

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                • #23
                  Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                  Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
                  Could it just be that all the flashes in the table are current models, whereas the FL50R is, I believe, discontinued? That doesn't mean it won't work but they can't have every compatible flash, past and present, listed in the table.

                  Ron
                  That's most likely it.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                    Originally posted by birdboy View Post
                    The question is would an E5 owner seriously consider it (of course they would) and buy it (time will tell)?

                    I have not heard many comments from E5 owners with a good selection of FT glass give their views.
                    I think there is plenty of evidence that lots of E-5 owners have ordered the E-M1. You only have to look at posts here on the forum here.

                    Maybe the better question is why have E-5 owners opted for the E-M1? Of course there are E-System photographers who have either rejected the E-M1 option or are still not sure it's for them. I sense that the biggest hurdle for these is affordability because the E-M1 is not an inexpensive camera.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                      I highlight the external flash gun issue because on Page 130 of the manual it says this. "The upper limit of the shutter speed is 1/250 sec. when using a flash."

                      I use the FL50R on my E5 in Super FP mode at shutter speeds greater than 1/250sec

                      Here is an example when I use flash.
                      E5 50mm f2 1/800s f8 iso 400
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                      • #26
                        Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                        Originally posted by Ian View Post
                        I think there is plenty of evidence that lots of E-5 owners have ordered the E-M1. You only have to look at posts here on the forum here.

                        Maybe the better question is why have E-5 owners opted for the E-M1? Of course there E-System photographers who have either rejected the E-M1 option or are still not sure it's for them. I sense that the biggest hurdle for these is affordability because the E-M1 is not an inexpensive camera.

                        Ian
                        For me its not a question of affordability, it is a question of will it do the job I want it to. I have a budget that this camera comfortably sits in and I even have a wife who says I can buy if it will do the job I want. The camera is new and makes many claims of compatibility with FT bodies and lenses. Olympus bill it as a replacement for the E5.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                          Originally posted by birdboy View Post
                          I highlight the external flash gun issue because on Page 130 of the manual it says this. "The upper limit of the shutter speed is 1/250 sec. when using a flash."

                          I use the FL50R on my E5 in Super FP mode at shutter speeds greater than 1/250sec

                          Here is an example when I use flash.
                          E5 50mm f2 1/800s f8 iso 400
                          I 'think' you can do that with the E M5 so I guess that would be the same with the E M1. I haven't used it myself but after I bought the 50r from a forum member, I did a lot of reading up on using flash as previous results were pretty inconsistent. I am sure I read super FP is an option with the camera and I saw it as an option in the settings (camera or flashgun). However I struggle with using flash and putting any knowledge from reading into practice, so someone else with the E M5 might be better able to address this point! Apologies if I am wrong.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                            Originally posted by birdboy View Post
                            I highlight the external flash gun issue because on Page 130 of the manual it says this. "The upper limit of the shutter speed is 1/250 sec. when using a flash."

                            I use the FL50R on my E5 in Super FP mode at shutter speeds greater than 1/250sec

                            Here is an example when I use flash.
                            E5 50mm f2 1/800s f8 iso 400
                            The E-M5 can use FP TTL flash up to a maximum shutter speed of 1/4000 sec & the E-M1 should be able to use it up 1/8000 sec. The upper limit specs, I believe, refer to normal TTL flash use.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                              The E-M1 can flash sync in standard mode up to 1/320th. It is fully compatible with all R-series FL flash units for wireless remote operation. All you need to do is fit the included mini flash unit which acts as the wireless commander.

                              I have heard that the FL-36R is discontinued and now replaced by the FL-600R, but I have not heard that the FL-50R is discontinued and have asked for clarification on this.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Is the OMD-EM1 a replacement for the E5 or the OMD-EM5?

                                Originally posted by birdboy View Post
                                For me its not a question of affordability, it is a question of will it do the job I want it to. I have a budget that this camera comfortably sits in and I even have a wife who says I can buy if it will do the job I want. The camera is new and makes many claims of compatibility with FT bodies and lenses. Olympus bill it as a replacement for the E5.
                                What are your concerns about whether or not it will do the job you expect of it?

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