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  • #31
    Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

    Originally posted by Ross the fiddler View Post
    So far I can only select Single, Single small & then All in video. No 3x3 or 5x5.
    I think you are right, Cross (5), 3x3 and 5x5 don't exist.
    Are you simply selecting the mode then pressing the red button?

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    • #32
      Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

      Originally posted by Growltiger View Post
      I think you are right, Cross (5), 3x3 and 5x5 don't exist.
      Are you simply selecting the mode then pressing the red button?
      I'm in Video mode on the Mode dial, selecting AF target (left button or Fn1) & the up/down buttons cycle through the available AF Target selection etc. Pressing the Record button starts & stops recording (that's the way I have mine set anyhow).
      Ross
      I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
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      • #33
        Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

        Originally posted by Ross the fiddler View Post
        I'm in Video mode on the Mode dial, selecting AF target (left button or Fn1) & the up/down buttons cycle through the available AF Target selection etc. Pressing the Record button starts & stops recording (that's the way I have mine set anyhow).
        Yes, that works well.
        I see that doing that also changes the focus areas after you turn the dial back to A for example. You would think that there would be a separate setting for video which would be set and stored separately to the still focus area settings.

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        • #34
          Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

          I thought it was just me not being able to find 3x3 or 5x5 but after another video attempt this morning I realize I would not be very good at keeping the target within such a box anyway!
          I use the touchscreen to focus and refocus. Sometimes the camera loses focus anyway, not even focusing on anything. No wonder pros use manual focus with video! Lots of me lacking ability no doubt but even so. Think I'll stick to stills!

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          • #35
            Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

            Originally posted by Growltiger View Post
            Yes, that works well.
            I see that doing that also changes the focus areas after you turn the dial back to A for example. You would think that there would be a separate setting for video which would be set and stored separately to the still focus area settings.
            Originally posted by Miketoll View Post
            I thought it was just me not being able to find 3x3 or 5x5 but after another video attempt this morning I realize I would not be very good at keeping the target within such a box anyway!
            I use the touchscreen to focus and refocus. Sometimes the camera loses focus anyway, not even focusing on anything. No wonder pros use manual focus with video! Lots of me lacking ability no doubt but even so. Think I'll stick to stills!
            Now why didn't I think of that? Yes, the touch focus gives a range of X 3 to X 5, so should help if trying to isolate the focus around the centre in video.
            Ross
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            • #36
              Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

              Had another go today. Realized I had C-AF plus tracking set. Works better without tracking, just enlarged the box with the little vertical slider so it was easier to keep on target. Still occasionally lost focus and then refocused pretty quickly on the target but no wandering off to focus on goodness knows where or on what.

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              • #37
                Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                I went birding yesterday and yes the AF is as good as the EM1X now so they made a great camera even greater.


                Rob.

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                • #38
                  Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                  Been using v3 on mk2 since update day , camera seems better in high ISO settings than before. the centre start & priority did,nt help me in BIF shots, in fact I think it slowed focussing down a bit, all other upgade parts seem good.

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                  • #39
                    Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                    Here is Matthieu's verdict on C-AF with v3.0 firmware:

                    https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/sto...rds-in-flight/

                    Better than before but still not as good as E-M1X and Fuji X-T3 and way behind Sony A9.

                    Below the article he lists his choice of E-M1 II settings for birds in flight, which is worth a look.

                    Ron

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                    • #40
                      Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                      Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
                      Here is Matthieu's verdict on C-AF with v3.0 firmware:

                      https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/sto...rds-in-flight/

                      Better than before but still not as good as E-M1X and Fuji X-T3 and way behind Sony A9.

                      Below the article he lists his choice of E-M1 II settings for birds in flight, which is worth a look.

                      Ron
                      Thanks for that. Interesting and useful.

                      I suspect CAF performance with the 3x3 cluster will be better than the 5x5 as long as long as you can keep the smaller group on the target. So time spent practicing with your target species will pay dividends. This is true for the 5 to 3x3 step, anyway.

                      While reading the review it is worth not forgetting that the M1ii is 2 years older than the MX and the X-T3, and now very much cheaper than the MX and A9.
                      Regards,
                      Mark

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                      • #41
                        Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                        Nice Barn owl, Ron.

                        Now to the topic. I updated the FW to 3.0 and put it to test. Strong gusty winds were prevailing, meaning near perfect conditions for action down by the shore and some (at times) challenging BIF.

                        Basically I tested using both the 5x5 and 11x11 AF points, center AF priority. Used the focus limiter set to 35 meters to make sure I would not take these long distance shots that I would delete anyway. I came hone with some 1000 shots in total, I believe I have a sample population large enough for a fair assessment of the results.

                        Immediately after I started shooting I felt the behavior had changed. It is hard to explain in words, an attempt would be "the camera is better at re-acquiring focus after losing it". Before usually only the first or last shot/s in a sequence of say 5 shots would be in focus, if/when camera lost focus then it would have been a lost cause.

                        Each frame was reviewed on an arbitrary scale where:
                        0 is totally blurred
                        ...
                        4 parts of the bird is in focus although where you want it, some front/back issues
                        5 is spot on

                        From the ~1000 photos: 260+ were rated 5, some 300-400 I rated 4. Keep in mind this was under real field conditions, windy, fast action taking place at 10-30 meters distance. I believe this is remarkable, a clear improvement from brefore. Most sequences had at least 1 or 2 keepers, at a few occasions I got none rated at least 4. Don't ask me why.

                        Thank you Olympus for walking the extra mile and delivering this 3.0 FW update!

                        The windy conditions are supposed to end next week, when that happens I will test the S-AF and report my findings in this thread.

                        I can upload some photos in the photo fair section if anyone is interested.

                        Cheers
                        Tord

                        My Gallery on 500px

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                        • #42
                          Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                          Originally posted by Tordan58 View Post
                          I can upload some photos in the photo fair section if anyone is interested.
                          I would be interested in seeing your photos Tord.

                          Ron

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                          • #43
                            Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                            Hello all it has been a while. There are not a lot of birds flying here in Arizona other than the rather ugly California Condor, so for me testing out the new firmware has been difficult. I did manage to test it on Hummingbirds, and it did perform quite well. There also was the opportunity to focus on a Cactus Wren at a distance. For that I used the 5x5, and C-AF center priority, AF sensitivity -2. To my surprise the bird took flight and the focus square tracked, and I took the shot. As far as I can tell the bird was, or would be in focus...did I mention I was in AZ...heat haze distorted the image badly.

                            Monday I sat at the end of runway at Nellis AFB NV to see what I might be able to capture. It was 108F and around Noon so there was a lot of heat coming from the desert floor.

                            First, the F-16's...Thunderbirds. Set up: Aperture priority, S-AF all 121 points in cluster focus mode.


                            I was pumping the shutter button to update the focus. That didn't always work....


                            resulting photo's like that a lot more than I would have figured.

                            Then I switched to C-AF, no tracking, 121 focus points and C-AF center start for the F-22's


                            Against the blue sky the camera found the plane and kept the focus box cluster over it all the way. Heat haze wreaking havoc with the pic. But they were flying a left pattern to runway 21L and I was at the Raceway enterance, quite a ways off. The Thunderbird was landing 21R.

                            Then more F-16's departed the area. I switched to the 5 point cross C-AF and tracked them as they flew past the mountains to see what happened. The focus wandered as the plane passed the mountains. I switched sensitivity to +2. and:

                            this seemed to be the norm.

                            I did not bring a notebook, I did not devise a plan to check every aspect and document the results. I had thought of this but did not do it at this time. Plus it was 108F air temp, little hotter standing out in the desert taking pictures, cooler days are coming.

                            Every once in a while some one is running late, this is #3 of a 3 ship.


                            Second time I have seen one still in full reheat off the end of runway. 2 Had taken off and no sooner had I got back in the cool car than I saw this guy breaking ground.

                            One setting I forgot to mention, and is more than likely why these are soft...Sharpness was set to -1. I am going to change that.

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                            • #44
                              Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                              Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
                              I would be interested in seeing your photos Tord.

                              Ron
                              Hi Ron,

                              Please see these threads:
                              http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50943
                              http://e-group.uk.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50944


                              Cheers
                              Tord

                              My Gallery on 500px

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                              • #45
                                Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                                I did not toss the cactus wren photo as I had thought. I will leave it up to the group to decide on the focus. Shutter priority, 1/2000s, 75-300mm @300 wide open, original image about a stop and a half under exposed. C-AF 5x5 box center priority. The bird was perched on the branches that are in focus, camera was locked on. As he took flight, the focus square followed and I took the shot. Reviewing the image in camera with all the details shows the green square on the birds back. At this time the C-AF sensitivity was set to -2 as well. I would estimate the distance to nearly a 1/4 mile...but I am bad with distance. Throughout that afternoon I did shoot crows and condors but those were at least a half mile off. Our blocks out here in the desert are 1/2 x 1/4 mile, and they were clearly past the telegraph poles the other end of the block. I can't tell how well the camera did do to the heat haze at that range, although it did lock on.

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