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  • This Changes Everything

    biggercan have our cake and eat it!
    John

    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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    Re: This Changes Everything

    Thanks for the report John
    I am convinced a EP3 and me will agree
    John

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    • #3
      Re: This Changes Everything

      I certainly am open to the possibility of eventually purchasing a Pen derivative and the thought of a lighter and smaller unit for travel purposes is attractive. However I do not as present regard one as a replacement for a DSLR, as when away from home, even for a day, I regularly use and carry at least 3 or 4 lenses. The E-P3 has a weight advantage over an E5 I agree but with the VF-2 and a FT to MFT adapter it is only about 400 grams - a lot less than a couple of pounds. When you consider that my everyday long zoom lens and the 300mm alone weigh around 4kg then the weight difference is insignificant. Being so used to zoom lenses for everyday use, as we all are, being limited to a 12mm prime is going to be a difficult compromise, anything else and the weight/size saving advantage fades.

      I have a very simple Samsung 8mp compact for ultra-light family use which I am never without and, although I sometimes wish for the quality of a Pen, I cannot imagine going down that route without a zoom lens, but to do so would mean it is no longer pocketable so would probably be left at home. My wife loves the Samsung and takes dozens of excellent family shots perfect for the album, she too would probably leave a Pen with zoom at home.

      Olympus are getting there and the majority of photographers will eventually own and enjoy their latest Pen offerings but they have a little further to go for me.

      Thank you John for excellent notes on your experience with the E-P3

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      • #4
        Re: This Changes Everything

        Nice write up John and I am pleased you are happy with it.

        That being said I have held the pens and I doubt a one screw bolt on grip on the side will make that much of a difference to handling with larger FT lenses for me. Why because the height of the grip can only be the same as the height of the pen body and it is here that stability of holding is crucial.

        This is the reason I prefer to use my 70-300 on the E-30 than the E-620 (without the bolt on grip) because having those last two pinkies flapping in the breeze having nothing to grip on does not aid stability (especially has my hands are getting shakier with age).

        In all honesty I know my keeper rate for sharp shake free images with the 70-300mm is greater with the E-30 or E-620 with bolt on grip than it is on the E-620 small body alone, that larger grip and bulk make all the difference using a lens like the 70-300mm let alone one of the SHG monsters.

        So for me I doubt the Pens alone will ever float my boat, so I'm still hoping Olympus will keep the standard FT range going as well as the Pens and time alone will tell that.
        Regards Paul.
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        • #5
          Re: This Changes Everything

          Thanks John for your positive and informative report. It looks very tempting, and it's nice to see some fast fixed prime lenses coming out at last.

          You ask
          Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
          Now, about the EVF; many of us, me included, have somehow come to regard an integral EVF as some sort of Holy Grail, but why?
          I've tried using the Panny GF-1 with the external viewfinder, and find it a royal PITA (ergonomics-wise that is, I make no comment on quality which will improve dramatically anyway). It's fine if you are going to faff about with big lenses, adapters and maybe a tripod - the extra bit is no great hassle and being able to swivel it is a definite plus. But the reason for wanting a small body is for portability. I want a camera that will sit in a handlebar bag or jacket pocket and be ready for action. Having an external viewfinder mounted makes it a very awkward shape, and looks to me as if it is just asking for damage.

          I would far rather see a smallish overall increase in dimensions to accomodate the EVF electronics. Panny seem to have been able to pack the innards into smaller and smaller bodies so I'm sure it could be done in a body that would fit nicely into a (biggish) pocket with a pancake lens. And please offer us a weathersealed version, even if it increases size & weight a little bit more.

          Ciao ... John

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            • #7
              Re: This Changes Everything

              IPW - hesitate and think again and try out the Pen before you commit to following down the E5 route - I am thinking having bought the E5 and the E-PL2 for valid reasons that the E5 might have been a bit excessive. If you are into rapid action pictures then the E5 is preferred over the Pen - but in a lot of situations the Pen with a decent lens will be more than adequate - the VF-2 being mandatory.
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              • #8
                Re: This Changes Everything

                Hang on! It's a personal view, not Olympus policy! Horses for courses... and in any case, some of the positives that John has identified are not specific to the 12mm lens. There is a wide range of choice now with the Pens, but yes we are still waiting for a new Olympus model that will satisfy users with larger hands and bigger and heavier lenses.

                Ian
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                • #9
                  Re: This Changes Everything

                  Originally posted by Bikie John View Post
                  Thanks John for your positive and informative report. It looks very tempting, and it's nice to see some fast fixed prime lenses coming out at last.

                  You ask


                  I've tried using the Panny GF-1 with the external viewfinder, and find it a royal PITA (ergonomics-wise that is, I make no comment on quality which will improve dramatically anyway). It's fine if you are going to faff about with big lenses, adapters and maybe a tripod - the extra bit is no great hassle and being able to swivel it is a definite plus. But the reason for wanting a small body is for portability. I want a camera that will sit in a handlebar bag or jacket pocket and be ready for action. Having an external viewfinder mounted makes it a very awkward shape, and looks to me as if it is just asking for damage.

                  I would far rather see a smallish overall increase in dimensions to accomodate the EVF electronics. Panny seem to have been able to pack the innards into smaller and smaller bodies so I'm sure it could be done in a body that would fit nicely into a (biggish) pocket with a pancake lens. And please offer us a weathersealed version, even if it increases size & weight a little bit more.

                  Ciao ... John
                  The GF1 EVF is much, much inferior to the Olympys VF-2. It only has 200,000 dots, one seventh of the 1.4 million dots of the VF-2 (and the Panasonics with built-in EVFs). Do try a G-series Panasonic Lumix with a built EVF or the VF-2 on a Pen (or XZ-1) and you will see a huge difference.

                  Ian
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                  • #10
                    Re: This Changes Everything

                    Originally posted by OlyPaul View Post
                    Nice write up John and I am pleased you are happy with it.

                    That being said I have held the pens and I doubt a one screw bolt on grip on the side will make that much of a difference to handling with larger FT lenses for me. Why because the height of the grip can only be the same as the height of the pen body and it is here that stability of holding is crucial.

                    This is the reason I prefer to use my 70-300 on the E-30 than the E-620 (without the bolt on grip) because having those last two pinkies flapping in the breeze having nothing to grip on does not aid stability (especially has my hands are getting shakier with age).

                    In all honesty I know my keeper rate for sharp shake free images with the 70-300mm is greater with the E-30 or E-620 with bolt on grip than it is on the E-620 small body alone, that larger grip and bulk make all the difference using a lens like the 70-300mm let alone one of the SHG monsters.

                    So for me I doubt the Pens alone will ever float my boat, so I'm still hoping Olympus will keep the standard FT range going as well as the Pens and time alone will tell that.
                    I'm not the best person to comment on this as I am comfortable with the E-P3 and NO grip But in all honesty I noted lots of very favourable comments about the thicker optional grip. I was quite surprised, really.

                    Ian
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                    • #11
                      Re: This Changes Everything

                      I can appreciate that the advancements in the Pen range will for some reach a point where they may consider moving over to m4/3 but for others it will not. Everyone has different needs, wants...likes. I read John's comments with interest (thanks John ) and whilst I'm quite enthused about the new Pens (and m4/3rd primes) I'm not about to order one as I recently acquired the still excellent E-PL2.
                      I'm awaiting developments hoping that there will be a true cross over model that suits my 4/3rds lens collection a little better with Oly's famed built in weather and dust resistance

                      Not sure about the comment that pens are nothing more than an advanced compact my wife has the excellent Panny LX-3 'advanced compact' (lovely little camera) but I think the Pen system's quality and flexibility certainly lifts it above the advanced compact level.
                      Here's a couple of images taken with my E-PL2 yesterday which I think would have been difficult to capture with an advanced compact.

                      Mrs Fox marking her territory (our rear lawn).


                      Little and large (this shot was massively under exposed by yours truly but it was possible to bring it back to a half usable image).
                      Regards Huw


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                      • #12
                        Re: This Changes Everything

                        Hello Derek, Thanks for your input but its still an E5 that crave, having seen the results posted here by their owners. I have one final point to make and its aimed at John, the initiator of this post. John, you are a highly respected and very talented photographer on this forum, I have visited your website and viewed you book "The Light Fantastic" and to say that I have been mightily impressed would be an understatement. My question is, hand on heart John, do you honestly beleive that you could achieve the same very high standards if you opted to go down the route you seem to be advocating? Regards, Ian W.

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                          • #14
                            Re: This Changes Everything

                            Thanks John for some good thoughts. I certainly would like a PEN to supplement my E30 (which I would also love to upgrade to an E5) but in reality, if I want to add heavier lenses on the PEN, a larger grip would help but I would miss the front wheel plus the vertical (portrait) grip. I think if a battery grip could be added to this model that has a substantial side grip (that could have the added securing with the screw) with a front wheel in it as well, it would serve much better for the larger lenses & when removed, be the lighter carry around outfit instead. I would think a double battery would be better for the large lenses too. As far as the VF-2 EVF goes, I would also like to see a solid version (non-tiltable) with a TTL hot shoe on top & if the camera body can take the mechanical strain & the EVF block is solid in its mounting onto it, I don't see an issue if used with a substantial battery & side grip in balancing the FL50R flash on it as well. That to me would be a nice modular system. Maybe this can be part of a pro version PEN with the extra buttons & connections on it that the E5 have which again can be stripped down to be a smaller, lighter package for just a few MFT lenses etc. when needed.
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                            • #15
                              Re: This Changes Everything

                              I would not question the quality if image from E-P3 but it must be, taking everything into account, less accomplished overall than an E5. So we come back to the point of portability and as I have said before this is of little concern when it is matched to a number of FT lenses, which are mighty beasts in their own right and become even heavier with an adapter. Even if Olympus replicate the whole FT range in MFT fitting (which they are never going to do) portability is still not likely to be an issue. I am not likely to replace all my lenses with MFT even if they were available so where is the advantage in buying a Pen? However it is still on my lists of possible future purchases but someone needs to convince me, in a practical way, that it would be a good move.

                              I guess I may have to hire a camera, viewfinder and adapter to settle the matter but at the cost of a good meal out with wine I will need further convincing that even this option is a good bet.

                              David
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