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    As everyone has got themselves embroiled in the new EM-1x and the rumoured 150-400, has no-one got anything to say about the new flash units launched yesterday as well?

    FL‑700WRFR‑WR Flash ReceiverFC‑WR Flash Commander
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    Re: New Flash system

    Just so rarely use flash these days. In my Pentax days, I used it quite often as a fill in when photoing in sunlight. Now the cameras don't have a handy pop up flash, its easier to turn people around to face the sun that to dig out the flash....
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    • #3
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      • #4
        Re: New Flash system

        I'm not clear from that description whether the units communicate by radio signals, or by the system of optical preflashes used currently, or some other means. Also interested to know whether it fully supports RC mode, which seems in principle a good way to control flashes. RC mode has 4 channels, not 3 I think.

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        • #5
          Re: New Flash system

          My understanding is that these units use radio signals and not optical ( I supose they could use both for integration with existing flashes but I have not seen this mentioned).
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          • #6
            Re: New Flash system

            The latest firmware updates for the m43 bodies say "Wireless radiowave commander FC-WR is now supported", which does suggest radio rather than optical communication. But of course if the description was written by a marketing rather than a technical bod, all bets are off!

            John

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            • #7
              Re: New Flash system

              Yes, but the equivalent power Canon Pro flash is almost exactly the same price - https://store.canon.co.uk/canon-spee...eedliteflashes
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              • #8
                Re: New Flash system

                With a very large investment in FL50 & 36 Rs, I would not be able to justify the change. Plus my existing RC triggers work very well
                Graham

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                • #9
                  Good success using the flash in a limited way when taking single images.
                  There is a large question mark hanging over 'focus-bracketing/stacking' which I use a lot, hand held.
                  Also balancing flash with ambient via TTL metering is questionable I have read.
                  It's difficult I'm finding to get definitive answers, so I'm staying clear.

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                  • #10
                    Re: New Flash system

                    Originally posted by RobEW View Post
                    I'm not clear from that description whether the units communicate by radio signals, or by the system of optical preflashes used currently, or some other means. Also interested to know whether it fully supports RC mode, which seems in principle a good way to control flashes. RC mode has 4 channels, not 3 I think.
                    Previous models have had remote control, via pre-flash, not radio control. It seems that this new one has radio control "for bright conditions", which would make it incompatible with the older units.

                    I have to say that, using my 36-R in preference to my 50-R, I am not tempted by this new system, not least that it would seem not to work with my existing R units. If it is the start of a new system, I hope they include a tilting one, like the 600-R, which is invaluable for macro.

                    With my A7R is use the Nissin Air 1 system, which has both forms of remote control. Versions are available for Olympus.

                    Harold
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                    • #11
                      Re: New Flash system

                      Flash is a pretty specialist technique these days and arguably less necessary given better ISO performance and the increasing capability of continuous lighting.
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                      • #12
                        Re: New Flash system

                        Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
                        Flash is a pretty specialist technique these days
                        I would expect fill flash to have the same function as ever and macro certainly does.

                        Harold
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                        • #13
                          Re: New Flash system

                          Originally posted by Walti View Post
                          Of course the unique Olympus Focus Stacking, and Focus Bracketing functions are supported too
                          Don't think so. Got burned by that with the STF-8, which headlines "Focus stacking and bracketing compatible**" on the Oly Web site. Failed to hunt down the little "**" at purchase.... It reads, in 6 point font and light light grey text, "**Focus stacking and braketing [sic] only in manual mode".

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                          • #14
                            Re: New Flash system

                            Has anybody tried using the new system? I have been thinking about getting a newer flash, mainly prompted by the occasional desire to shoot in the rain. The FL-50s and friends terrify me if there is any chance of getting wet, to the extent that I avoid it whenever possible, and the newer ones claim to be weathersealed.

                            Looking in some detail at what the FL-700WR offers, it seems that it has the radio control features integrated and it will work as a commander or receiver without needing extra units. So presumably the other new bits - FC-WR and FR-WR - are only needed if you want to use other flashes. A chum has the previous big boy flash, the FL-900R and says that it works very well with the separate commander and receiver.

                            It seems a bit strange that the FL-700WR flash, which includes the commander and receiver, costs less than the commander and receiver bought separately. It's "only" 50 quid more than the commander on its own, and for that you get the flash as well!

                            I'll be interested to hear if anyone has actually tried the new stuff - or if I have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, which is entirely possible.

                            John

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                            • #15
                              Re: New Flash system

                              Originally posted by Bikie John View Post
                              Has anybody tried using the new system? ...
                              Looking in some detail at what the FL-700WR offers, it seems that it has the radio control features integrated and it will work as a commander or receiver without needing extra units. So presumably the other new bits - FC-WR and FR-WR - are only needed if you want to use other flashes.... or if I have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, which is entirely possible.
                              I'm going to stick my head out to give you a swift answer even though I have not got one of these or even tried one.

                              The flash unit will work on its own mounted on the hot shoe (compatible cameras). To work off camera the flash will use the in built in receiver to get the signals but you will need a command capable unit (mounted on the hot shoe) to send them. This can be either the stand alone commander (FC) or another flash unit using the in built commander. The receiver (FR) unit is for off camera flash when you are using a non FL700 flash when, again, you can use a FL700 flash or FC commander unit on the camera hot shoe to send the command signals.
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